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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:59 am    Post subject: Hiding Bahro Stones? Reply with quote

I have a strange recollection of someone's journal (I thought it was Sharper's) containing several entries about a Bahro stone and efforts made to move it. The gist was that whenever it was moved it would disappear and reappear where it belonged. However, I've looked through the transcripts at DPWR and am unable to find such a journal. The closest I've found is this entry under "Simpson, Michael":
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He has also helped Sharper store a Bahro stone that kept going missing until it was placed in Baron's Office.
but I'm unable to find a reference for this anywhere. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or did I dream the whole thing up?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you're right, and it is in Sharper's journal. For some reason references to it seem to have been omitted by whoever transcribed the journal for DPWR, but I remembered what you were talking about and checked it out myself. The passages you were talking about...


5/12/02

Simpson told me about a pretty strange stone, so I tried it out. I want it myself. I think I'll keep it here. Don't really care what the DRC thinks of that, either.

5/17/02

Stone is gone. Vanished right out of my office. Where is Simpson?

5/20/02

Got the stone back again. Simpson claims it was back where he found it. Regardless, this time I'm keeping it in a more secure location.

From 5/25/02 (this entry contained other unrelated stuff)

Stone is gone again. How?

5/30/02

Last time with the stone. I'm trying a more secure location.

6/3/02

Gone again.

6/7/02

I have the stone one more time. Simpson says he can't take it again. So I'm trying one more thing. Gut feeling about these creatures.

6/20/02

Stone hasn't gone anywhere this time. I think they're afraid of the hanging rocks. Interesting.


So... yeah, that's it. I've only included entries related to the stone, but I think DPWR got most of the other stuff. I guess they have the abridged version? Weird!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which begs the question - since the stone in question is the upper-level Gahreesen one, why didn't the Bahro just come in the bottom doors? Since they can Link at will, I don't see the connection with "afraid of the hanging stones" (beyond referring to the counterweight stones on the outside of the shroom). They could just link into that little room and back out again.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He also could be talking about the stone he has in his office. That's what I took it to mean. The "hanging rocks" could be the... (um... stalactite? stalagmite?) thingies you can see out the window when you stand in the alcove where the stone is.

Since the Bahro probably aren't from underground, it may make them feel claustrophobic and nervous. If this is the case, the Bahro probably have trouble with a lot of D'ni, but that could be an explanation besides their shyness as to why the don't just roam around the Cavern. It explains the linking at will problem too because they can link into the office any way they like, but they can't get the stone without going by the window.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or.... the stalactites remind them of snakes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anna Catherine wrote:
No, you're right, and it is in Sharper's journal. For some reason references to it seem to have been omitted by whoever transcribed the journal for DPWR, but I remembered what you were talking about and checked it out myself. The passages you were talking about...
[journal entries snipped for space]
So... yeah, that's it. I've only included entries related to the stone, but I think DPWR got most of the other stuff. I guess they have the abridged version? Weird!

Annacat

Thanks Annacat! I guess I'll have to do my research for myself next time. Strange that DPWR would miss all that, and somewhat worrying too.

EDIT: That's wierd. DPWR has entries 6.18.02 (which is between two stone-related entries) and most of 5.25.02 (which contains in part stone related material), but not the stone related stuff. It's as if they purposefully left out the stone-related stuff. Why? Spoiler concerns? I don't see why this of all things should be omitted in such a way.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he did mean the hanging rocks outside the mushroom, which I'm assuming he does, if they're all shot down, maybe the Bahro... no, I'm sure they wouldn't. Unless he's not refering to the Bahro when he's talking about "the creatures"... man, who even knows! D:
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused. The Baron's Office is in the city. Did the DPWR make a mistake (make an assumption) in their annotation of Simpson, and misunderstand which Bahro stone was being discussed?

There's one in a Teledahn mushroom near the journey door... and one in the Baron's office in Ae'gura. I don't know of any hanging rocks in or around the Baron's office. There are some very sharp-looking hanging lights... but not rocks.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marten wrote:
I'm confused. The Baron's Office is in the city. Did the DPWR make a mistake (make an assumption) in their annotation of Simpson, and misunderstand which Bahro stone was being discussed?

There's one in a Teledahn mushroom near the journey door... and one in the Baron's office in Ae'gura. I don't know of any hanging rocks in or around the Baron's office. There are some very sharp-looking hanging lights... but not rocks.

I think you may be taking the word "hanging" a little to literally. If it simply means "overhead" then the BCO has hanging rocks in spades. Also, don't you think Sharper would have mentioned the Bahro stone in his office? It's kinda hard to miss. If it was there when he found the place he probably would have written about it. If it showed up one day out of the blue he certainly would have written about it. If we take these entries to be refering to the stone in the office, then both stones that Sharper was aware of are mentioned by him (the other, of course, is on the post-it note to Simpson in Gahreesen).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm, I always figured he was talking about the Gahreesen stone, since he then goes on to talk about keeping it secret from the DRC (I don't have the exact quote offhand, I seem to remember it involving the phrase "they'de have a field-day if they saw the upper levels of the prison" or something of the sort). Since it is kept in a location surrounded by hanging stones (literal interpretation, Sharper doesn't usually go in for riddles), I always assumed he meant that one.

Sorry guys, I'm just not making the connection between snake-shaped stalactites and "hanging stones". Call me unimaginative if you will... Embarassed

Remember also that Sharper had three offices - a private one in the City, a public one accessable by elevator on Teledahn, and the "private" office/workroom accessable only by ladder or hidden staircase also on Teledahn. This latter office is, coincidentally, directly above the room with the Gahreesen stone, and is also completely surrounded by literal hanging stones.

It seems Simpson knew of the stone before Sharper did, and since Sharper "wanted it for his own" and Simpson keeps going "back to where he found it", I interpret this as it was a DRC discovery (they certainly did know about the stones) and Douglas was trying to obtain by slightly less than ethical means ("Simpson says he can't take it again"). His secure location would/could be the backside of Teledahn, which he was keeping hidden from the DRC. Hence the reason the stone is hidden in a dark corner in a pile of boxes.

Granted, he could be talking about the stone in his City Office, which was also secure (only one way in, and it was locked up). But what's the point of stealing and hiding a linking stone to an empty mushroom stalk in the middle of the bay?

Just some thoughts...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this was something that was being kept hidden between Simpson and Sharper. It was under the table, but I can imagine why.

I do remember the context of the note to Simpson though. He found the stone but didn't want the DRC to know about it because then, of course, people would be busting down the doors to the backside of Teledahn trying to find the link to the upper levels of Gahreesen. Fat lot of good it did in terms of the explorers, but... I can't imagine Sharper willingly giving anything he found up to the DRC.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EDIT: That's wierd. DPWR has entries 6.18.02 (which is between two stone-related entries) and most of 5.25.02 (which contains in part stone related material), but not the stone related stuff. It's as if they purposefully left out the stone-related stuff. Why? Spoiler concerns? I don't see why this of all things should be omitted in such a way.


Um... yeah. It's easy to miss out a word or two when you transcribe something, and it's not unheard of to skip an entire page. But this seems very deliberate: a choice, not a mistake, because only stone mentions are missing and everything else is left in. I don't get it.

DPWR's policy on spoilers, as per their site, is this:

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Please note that because this website is intended to be a storehouse of all information regarding the Greater D'ni Universe, spoilers to the novels and games will be found in the Archive. Read at your own risk.


Pretty much everything they have on the site could be a spoiler anyway. I'm also having trouble seeing how something anyone can find by wandering around being mentioned without any reference to a specific location is much of a spoiler.

I think I'll drop them a line telling them about the inaccuracy. A lot of people use DPWR as their source for this stuff (with good reason,) so I'm sure DPWR wants it to be as reliable as possible.

But yeah, I don't get it.

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