The Great Tree

[Daedalus]

[Jon]

Great work on the theme, Daedalus! It really brings out the feeling of the place much better.

Brian, are you a member of the Great Tree Neighborhood? I haven't seen you on the list yet, but I might be being obtuse...
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[brian]

I'm not a member yet...
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[Sa'rUK]

I also have a log of the meeting and noticed there is a lot more on mine.
Mine is totally unedited. Too much editing, in my opinion, is not good.
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[Mystlander]

(01/12 15:23:06) Chat.log started...
(01/12 15:23:30) Brian Fioca: Our path won't be an easy one, I fear... but nothing worth doing is easy
(01/12 15:23:33) Kam Uraki: I hate to interupt, but no one has seen him around, have they?
(01/12 15:23:40) Brian Fioca: watson?
(01/12 15:23:45) Kam Uraki: yeah
(01/12 15:23:45) Jon: Sharper
(01/12 15:23:54) Brian Fioca: haven't seen watson, sharper is in his relto
(01/12 15:23:54) Jon: or phil
(01/12 15:24:07) Brian Fioca: i think someone may have seen phil... it might be a rumor though
(01/12 15:24:12) Vandel: And we should not act as they do, as a government, but everyone has the free will to speak as they want, and we sould all be the leaders, not just a select few..
(01/12 15:24:15) Kam Uraki: Well, thank goodness for small favors.
(01/12 15:24:30) Brian Fioca: yes, we must all be leaders
(01/12 15:24:43) Brian Fioca: there are MANY in the cavern who don't know much about D'ni
(01/12 15:24:57) Brian Fioca: and there will be more
(01/12 15:25:15) Vandel: Thats why they came down here.. Is it not? To learn
(01/12 15:25:16) Distant: the guild of greeters has proved most usefull in that respect.
(01/12 15:25:21) Brian Fioca: right, and to explore
(01/12 15:25:43) Vandel: This isn't about what we learn, its about how we learn
(01/12 15:25:50) Brian Fioca: true, but the Guild of Greeters can only acquaint the explorers with so much
(01/12 15:25:52) Kam Uraki: But the GoG are the only explorers I've seen the DRC respect
(01/12 15:26:13) Brian Fioca: The DRC have been in contact with the Safety First Hood i belive
(01/12 15:26:22) Vandel: Figures.
(01/12 15:26:23) Brian Fioca: which is fine
(01/12 15:26:26) Jon: and the GoG seems to respect us, if numbers are any guide
(01/12 15:26:37) Kam Uraki: Wonder why? ; )
(01/12 15:26:50) Vandel: But like you said, it isnt a bad thing
(01/12 15:26:5 Kam Uraki: I mean about the SF guild
(01/12 15:27:03) Brian Fioca: nope
(01/12 15:27:20) Vandel: I think we should start to make friendly relations with other guilds in my opinion
(01/12 15:27:24) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 15:27:2 Mystlander: I'm a Greeter... we are allowed to choose sides, if we wish, but only when not in uniform
(01/12 15:27:33) Distant: water must travel through the roots, before the trunk, before the branches, before the leaves, and back again.
(01/12 15:27:40) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:27:43) Kam Uraki: Brownnosers if you ask me. But hey, we all do what we need to in order to advance
(01/12 15:27:47) Brian Fioca: the roots are here
(01/12 15:27:5 Brian Fioca: it's not about advancing
(01/12 15:28:01) Kam Uraki: The SF, not the GoG
(01/12 15:28:09) Brian Fioca: it's about exploring
(01/12 15:28:13) Distant: I disagree Brian. To a new traveler, the roots are the GoG.
(01/12 15:28:13) Kam Uraki: Sorry, don't mean to interupt
(01/12 15:28:26) Brian Fioca: no, i meant the explorers are the roots
(01/12 15:28:36) Brian Fioca: us, the GoG, ...
(01/12 15:28:44) Jon: what, then, is the trunk?
(01/12 15:28:5 Brian Fioca: we are the roots of the new D'ni... at the risk of sounding too much like Phil
(01/12 15:29:00) Brian Fioca: heh
(01/12 15:29:04) Distant: I preferr to think of the explorers as the water, traveling through all aspects of the tree.
(01/12 15:29:04) Jon: heh
(01/12 15:29:0 Kam Uraki: Metaphorical dissection, this ought to be fun!
(01/12 15:29:10) Maharet: we need to be careful, roots carry water, but they can also carry poison
(01/12 15:29:15) Vandel: They are the water.. The roots are what the explorers help and grow the tree
(01/12 15:29:34) Thanakar: actually, according to Phil, we are all branches that make up the tree
(01/12 15:29:35) Brian Fioca: well, metaphors aside... we are here, and we have a tie to this place
(01/12 15:29:41) Jon: let's not get caught up in metaphor- let's say what we mean
(01/12 15:29:45) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:29:50) Kam Uraki: I agree
(01/12 15:30:01) Thanakar: and we are the blood and the heart of D'ni
(01/12 15:30:0 Vandel: Yes, it getting more complicated than it needs to be
(01/12 15:30:13) Brian Fioca: heh, yeah
(01/12 15:30:35) Brian Fioca: the point is, we need to make sure the restoration is more than just ... excavation
(01/12 15:30:55) Brian Fioca: we have to learn from the knowledge, not repeat the same mistakes
(01/12 15:30:59) Distant: Metephors aside, I have seen structurless systems colapse often. I caution to be wary of causing a structureless system in D'ni.
(01/12 15:31:05) Jon: this place is too alive to be subject to teh constraints of archaeology
(01/12 15:31:27) Brian Fioca: there has to be a ballance between structure and chaos
(01/12 15:31:30) Thanakar: the archaeologist are here to study the past, we are here to make a new future
(01/12 15:31:30) Brian Fioca: well, heh
(01/12 15:31:31) Mystlander: Yes, and we must reach out to the Bahro
(01/12 15:31:34) Brian Fioca: chaos isn't the right word
(01/12 15:31:39) Brian Fioca: but ballance is important
(01/12 15:31:46) Brian Fioca: the Bahro are important too
(01/12 15:31:47) Vandel: Although the methods the DRC take are cautious, and don't seem likely to 'destroy' any thing here.. They seem to be a bit much
(01/12 15:31:50) Brian Fioca: but i'm not sure how yet
(01/12 15:31:54) Jon: call it freedom, not chaos
(01/12 15:31:5 Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:32:01) Vandel: Yes
(01/12 15:32:03) Brian Fioca: thanks
(01/12 15:32:19) Kam Uraki: I'll keep my opinions of Yeesha and her Bahro to myself
(01/12 15:32:27) Thanakar: how do we best apporach them? Only Yeesha knows their purpose
(01/12 15:32:33) Jon: please do
(01/12 15:32:39) Kam Uraki: lol
(01/12 15:32:43) Jon: we can't approach them yet
(01/12 15:32:44) Brian Fioca: not sure Thanakar, but I asked sharper about them once
(01/12 15:32:46) Vandel: I'd like to hear them actually
(01/12 15:32:52) Thanakar: what did he say?
(01/12 15:32:52) Vandel: Maybe a later date
(01/12 15:32:55) Jon: we can approach Yeesha through Sharper
(01/12 15:32:56) Distant: I find the DRC to be cautious in their handling of rock, and wreckless in their handeling of people.
(01/12 15:32:56) Brian Fioca: told him they were in the city... he said "good!"
(01/12 15:33:16) Brian Fioca: he didn't elaborate...
(01/12 15:33:1 Vandel: Very good perceptive Distant
(01/12 15:33:26) Jon: heh
(01/12 15:33:33) Thanakar: probably because its another bee in the DRC's bonnet
(01/12 15:33:36) Brian Fioca: the DRC aren't the best PR people that's for sure, but they're getting better
(01/12 15:33:37) Kam Uraki: Yeah, maybe they'll at least serve as distraction for the DRC
(01/12 15:33:3 Jon: perhaps he knows more about them than we do
(01/12 15:33:47) Brian Fioca: and we need to encourage them
(01/12 15:33:52) Brian Fioca: perhaps
(01/12 15:33:5 Thanakar: any word on Watson?
(01/12 15:33:59) Kam Uraki: With Watson gone, things are improving
(01/12 15:34:01) Jon: I live in constant fear of Watson's return
(01/12 15:34:09) Kam Uraki: You and I both
(01/12 15:34:10) Brian Fioca: well, here's how i see it
(01/12 15:34:12) Jon: I think he's really slightly unstable
(01/12 15:34:16) Brian Fioca: if we make all kinds of progress
(01/12 15:34:24) Thanakar: you know..he may be gone for a good reason..him and phil may be together
(01/12 15:34:24) Brian Fioca: and watson returns and sets everything back...
(01/12 15:34:25) Kam Uraki: No, just paranoid and greedy
(01/12 15:34:40) Brian Fioca: as long as we supporeted the DRC under progress, we will have enough support to make a difference
(01/12 15:34:44) Jon: sorry, Brian, didn't mean to interrupt
(01/12 15:34:4 Brian Fioca: np
(01/12 15:34:51) Kam Uraki: Same here
(01/12 15:35:05) Brian Fioca: i'm hoping, Thanakar...
(01/12 15:35:07) Kam Uraki: I still worry about it
(01/12 15:35:09) Brian Fioca: but, who knows
(01/12 15:35:21) Jon: I think we have enough here to make a difference, even if Watson returns things to normal
(01/12 15:35:25) Thanakar: got some good pics today of hte water falling into the GZ
(01/12 15:35:35) Brian Fioca: we have somewhere around 80 supporters?
(01/12 15:35:37) Thanakar: nice looooong decent
(01/12 15:35:43) Brian Fioca: which is good... but we need more
(01/12 15:35:49) Kam Uraki: Lot's more
(01/12 15:35:52) Distant: nothing can "return to normal" as long as memories remain.
(01/12 15:35:54) Jon: how many members do we have?
(01/12 15:36:01) Brian Fioca: not too agressive, but the drops in the bucket should eventually fill it
(01/12 15:36:03) Vandel: About 20... Maybe
(01/12 15:36:13) Maharet: 30 +
(01/12 15:36:13) Brian Fioca: there are 72 members on my board...
(01/12 15:36:14) Thanakar: don't be concerend about who joins the hood, just be concerned about who supports the message
(01/12 15:36:14) Kam Uraki: I've had the members recruiting, and we've made some progress
(01/12 15:36:19) Vandel: In this neighborhood alone
(01/12 15:36:31) Brian Fioca: right, strong supporters are one thing
(01/12 15:36:43) Brian Fioca: people who will support us if we need them probably more than we know
(01/12 15:36:44) Jon: I have recruited two or three myself
(01/12 15:36:46) Mystlander: We need to be certain that they sign up on Brian's Great Tree Forum!
(01/12 15:36:46) Kam Uraki: 20 members after only a day. I think that's pretty good
(01/12 15:36:5 Kam Uraki: And here as well
(01/12 15:37:03) Ralmus: Elo
(01/12 15:37:0 Vandel: I'll be sure to
(01/12 15:37:14) Distant: I will go to this Forum now, what is the URL?
(01/12 15:37:14) Jon: I think we will have to be the core
(01/12 15:37:14) Brian Fioca: well, they don't necessarily have to be members here, but it helps
(01/12 15:37:21) Jon: but there will be many more that will listenb to us
(01/12 15:37:22) Brian Fioca: i'm sure some will want to be part of their own communities
(01/12 15:37:32) Kam Uraki: And that's fine
(01/12 15:37:35) Brian Fioca: but they can still support, and meet here
(01/12 15:37:43) Thanakar: and as things progress foward that will convince even more
(01/12 15:37:47) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 15:37:4 Kam Uraki: I just want their support when times call for it
(01/12 15:37:56) Vandel: How many does the Safety 1st guild have?
(01/12 15:38:02) Brian Fioca: well, i hope it won't come to that Kam
(01/12 15:38:05) Kam Uraki: Too many
(01/12 15:38:10) Brian Fioca: they have around 30
(01/12 15:38:17) Jon: a choice may have to be made, someday
(01/12 15:38:22) Brian Fioca: maybe
(01/12 15:38:35) Jon: lat's not be the ones to force that choice
(01/12 15:38:37) Brian Fioca: but we have to make it together, because all choices have consequences
(01/12 15:38:49) Vandel: They, I believ, would be a big threat, as in terms of helping the DRC
(01/12 15:38:50) Distant: This will only take a moment, I apologise.
(01/12 15:38:5 Vandel: The biggest
(01/12 15:39:10) Jon: we can't think of them, as a threat
(01/12 15:39:14) Jon: just as wrong
(01/12 15:39:20) Brian Fioca: not necessarily wrong either
(01/12 15:39:24) Vandel: Yeswe can, a threat to our cause
(01/12 15:39:27) Kam Uraki: The SF, I only suggest caution
(01/12 15:39:27) Brian Fioca: there's no right or wrong
(01/12 15:39:29) Brian Fioca: only grey
(01/12 15:39:5 Kam Uraki: People can disagree, as long as it remains peaceful
(01/12 15:40:05) Brian Fioca: people will always disagree
(01/12 15:40:10) Brian Fioca: i'm sure we won't always agree
(01/12 15:40:11) Vandel: Yes, there is no right or wrong, we all have opinions on what htye are though
(01/12 15:41:02) Daryl: Mr. Fioca...greetings. I understand you know Mr. Sharper personally?
(01/12 15:41:13) Brian Fioca: i've gotten to know him, yes
(01/12 15:41:23) Brian Fioca: and call me Brian
(01/12 15:41:26) Jon: For weeks I thought you were his assistant in disguise :p
(01/12 15:41:32) Kam Uraki: Intimately, oh wait, that's a secret ; )
(01/12 15:41:33) To Thanakar: Been getting the boot more times than I can count! lol
(01/12 15:41:36) Kam Uraki: lol
(01/12 15:41:37) Brian Fioca: heh, we agree on certain things
(01/12 15:41:42) Daryl: It seems he has returned from the Patriots game...
(01/12 15:41:43) Kam Uraki: I'm kidding
(01/12 15:41:49) Brian Fioca: heh
(01/12 15:41:57) Daarboven: 've been listening
(01/12 15:41:57) Brian Fioca: yes, maybe he'll drop bye
(01/12 15:41:59) Daryl: Has he been at his Relto all day?
(01/12 15:42:00) Brian Fioca: by
(01/12 15:42:05) Thanakar: no
(01/12 15:42:0 Jon: for at least a couple hours
(01/12 15:42:21) Kam Uraki: I miss too much at school
(01/12 15:42:31) Daryl: Good, I would like to speak to him, if I was granted the chance.
(01/12 15:42:47) Brian Fioca: heh, lots of people feel the same way
(01/12 15:42:54) Kam Uraki: My majoring in International Relations is starting to cut in on my game time.
(01/12 15:42:55) Brian Fioca: hopefullly they will get their chance
(01/12 15:43:03) Kam Uraki: lol
((01/12 15:43:30) Kam Uraki: Politics are great, but I want my MYST!!!
(01/12 15:43:35) Mystlander: Kam... you need to bring a laptop down here and study online!
(01/12 15:43:37) Vandel starts to laugh
(01/12 15:43:45) Kam Uraki: lol
(01/12 15:43:50) Kam Uraki: I'd like to
(01/12 15:43:52) Jon: maybe you can help us with relating to the DRC :p
(01/12 15:44:15) Jon: and Brian definitely isn't one of the DRC
(01/12 15:44:1 Brian Fioca: hopefully everyone
(01/12 15:44:32) Brian Fioca: oops, i missed that... someone asked if i was DRC?
(01/12 15:44:49) Daryl: Well speaking to Kam earlier today...I heard this guild is changing its ways.
(01/12 15:44:50) Jon: Ralmus was a bit confused, i think
(01/12 15:44:56) Ralmus: yea...
(01/12 15:45:01) Brian Fioca: k, better
(01/12 15:45:02) Ralmus: errr, wait...
(01/12 15:45:06) Brian Fioca: if i stand in the middle
(01/12 15:45:09) Thanakar: guild?
(01/12 15:45:1 Brian Fioca: not sure I would call this a guild
(01/12 15:45:29) Jon: we're just a group of like-minded people
(01/12 15:45:30) Brian Fioca: just a union of explorers
(01/12 15:45:31) Daryl: What would you call it then?
(01/12 15:45:31) Jon: a Union?
(01/12 15:45:34) Mystlander: Tree of life...
(01/12 15:45:41) Distant: Sense it produces nothing, it is not a guild.
(01/12 15:45:43) Thanakar: guilds require structure, guilds require laws, look what laws did to the D'ni
(01/12 15:46:07) Daryl: So long as you guys do not try to force your way into anymore areas, you have my support.
(01/12 15:46:15) Brian Fioca: there's a place for laws, there's a place for freedome
(01/12 15:46:16) Distant: Guilds are built around economics.
(01/12 15:46:27) Jon: we might need structure if our union gets very large, but we will keep it minimal, i hope
(01/12 15:46:29) Brian Fioca: I can't gaurantee that Daryl... but hopefully it won't come to that again
(01/12 15:46:33) Thanakar: freedom to continue the journey
(01/12 15:46:49) Brian Fioca: our actions have consequences...
(01/12 15:46:52) Brian Fioca: i keep saying that
(01/12 15:46:54) Daryl: Indeed
(01/12 15:46:55) Brian Fioca: but it's important
(01/12 15:47:00) Thanakar: if we are working with the drc then why would there be a need for force?
(01/12 15:47:03) Brian Fioca: we learned the hard way
(01/12 15:47:17) Daryl: Thats what I want to know...
(01/12 15:47:25) Brian Fioca: there shouldn't be, Thanakar... as long as theyre willing to work together
(01/12 15:47:30) Brian Fioca: with us
(01/12 15:47:32) Thanakar: true
(01/12 15:47:47) Brian Fioca: but if they are in this for themselves...
(01/12 15:47:55) Thanakar: and should sharper fall away from the true course needed, would you work aginast him to?
(01/12 15:47:55) Brian Fioca: we have the responsibility to act
(01/12 15:47:5 Jon: if they try and barricade us in forever...
(01/12 15:47:59) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 15:48:19) Brian Fioca: we can work to change both of them
(01/12 15:48:20) Distant: I can not engage in phisical combat here, I want to make that clear.
(01/12 15:48:34) Brian Fioca: there won't be anything phisical, i can promise you that
(01/12 15:48:43) Brian Fioca: physical
(01/12 15:49:02) Jon: we can fight them far more effectively without resorting to violence
(01/12 15:49:07) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:49:17) Distant: good
(01/12 15:49:1 Jakk Blakk: mental combat
(01/12 15:49:25) Brian Fioca: persuasion is always better then coercion
(01/12 15:49:29) Mystlander: There is a life force here springing from the roots... we don't need physical force.
(01/12 15:49:29) Daryl: So Brian, how do we go about showing our support? Sporting a jacket like you have? It seems showing your support is also important down here...
(01/12 15:49:39) Jon: social combat
(01/12 15:49:42) Brian Fioca: the jacket is one way
(01/12 15:49:44) Distant: because if it comes to it, you won't find me.
(01/12 15:50:00) Brian Fioca: understood, distant. it won't come ti it
(01/12 15:50:00) Brian Fioca: to
(01/12 15:50:32) Albert Bowen: ho is the percieved enemy?
(01/12 15:50:35) Albert Bowen: who
(01/12 15:50:3 Brian Fioca: hello all, we're over by the classroom <shouting>
(01/12 15:50:41) Mystlander: So, are we to stage a "sit in" to get the Great Tree pub reopened?
(01/12 15:50:41) Thanakar: ther is no enemy
(01/12 15:50:41) Thanakar: '
(01/12 15:50:52) Brian Fioca: maybe not mystlander
(01/12 15:50:57) Jon: I don't think that would be a good idea
(01/12 15:50:5 Brian Fioca: maybe we wont have to
(01/12 15:51:03) Thanakar: to sit in, we need to get in
(01/12 15:51:05) Brian Fioca: they will be looking for someone to assign it to
(01/12 15:51:15) Brian Fioca: maybe we can convince them to give it to someone on our side
(01/12 15:51:26) Mystlander: Can we Petition the DRC for the assignment?
(01/12 15:51:29) Brian Fioca: persuasively
(01/12 15:51:31) Daryl: Perhaps...with Dr. Watson missing...the DRC would be willing to listen to reason...a new set of ears...so to speak.
(01/12 15:51:37) Shinbo: whats going on?
(01/12 15:51:37) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:51:44) Jon: we are planning a peace conference, so to speak
(01/12 15:51:52) Jon: Xptql and I
(01/12 15:51:57) Mystlander: Time, place?
(01/12 15:52:07) Jon: we need to get them to reply, forst
(01/12 15:52:0 Brian Fioca: unless you /shout, everyone might not hear you since there are a lot of people here, so be aware of that
(01/12 15:52:11) Jon: first
(01/12 15:52:37) Jon: they haven't replied, and we are giving them extra time becasue of all the new explorers
(01/12 15:52:56) Brian Fioca: hopefully douglas being back is a sign that progress will continue to be made
(01/12 15:53:01) Qlex éternue
(01/12 15:53:17) Shinbo: what exactly do you all plan on doing?
(01/12 15:53:26) Jon: we are giving them 'till the 18th- then the private message goes public
(01/12 15:53:39) Brian Fioca: nothing specific... but we are asking for a meeting
(01/12 15:53:42) Shinbo: private message?
(01/12 15:53:45) Jon: and we force theior hand
(01/12 15:53:47) Mystlander cheers
(01/12 15:53:50) Albert Bowen: more importantly, what can we do to help
(01/12 15:54:00) Brian Fioca: spread the word of our group
(01/12 15:54:04) Jon: on the DRC forums
(01/12 15:54:10) Daryl: the DRC does not respond well to force...have we not learned from the past?
(01/12 15:54:12) Brian Fioca: but carefully
(01/12 15:54:24) Shinbo: what are we giving them until the 18th for?
(01/12 15:54:27) Brian Fioca: we can't be preachy
(01/12 15:54:3 Thanakar: reality shnibo
(01/12 15:54:44) Brian Fioca: just look for interest, and guide them
(01/12 15:54:5 FlangBG: what's going on here
(01/12 15:55:04) Larkspur: Anyone care to indicate the nature of this private message?
(01/12 15:55:13) Brian Fioca: it's a request for a meeting
(01/12 15:55:16) Jon: they need time, and I am willing to give it to them
(01/12 15:55:26) Vandel: I'm thinking we are known more so than we think..
(01/12 15:55:36) Jon: we need a clear channel of communication, to get our cards on the table so to speak
(01/12 15:55:42) Brian Fioca: yes, but we have to make sure people don't get the wrong idea of us
(01/12 15:55:51) Vandel: Very true
(01/12 15:55:53) Larkspur: Time for what? Some of us are new here.
(01/12 15:55:55) Mystlander: I agree!
(01/12 15:56:04) Jon: they know ABOUT us, but they don't know us
(01/12 15:56:06) Brian Fioca: to respond
(01/12 15:56:11) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:56:16) Brian Fioca: that's what the forum is for
(01/12 15:56:19) Brian Fioca: and the site will be
(01/12 15:56:24) Distant: perhaps it would be good to start from the beginning for the new arrivals.
(01/12 15:56:25) Vandel: Yep
(01/12 15:56:29) Daryl: We need a clear outline to what we want to discuss in this meeting...
(01/12 15:56:35) Brian Fioca: and people can help by just talking to people
(01/12 15:56:50) Brian Fioca: there are ideas, Daryl
(01/12 15:56:52) Jon: we need to get a time first, but we are also having an ongoing discussion about is on teh boards
(01/12 15:57:01) Shinbo: what happens if the DRC ignores everyone?
(01/12 15:57:05) Jon: brian's boards, that is
(01/12 15:57:13) Brian Fioca: then we make our selves a little more visible
(01/12 15:57:17) Brian Fioca: they can't ignore EVERYONE
(01/12 15:57:21) Jon: one thing at a time
(01/12 15:57:23) Brian Fioca: there are too many of us
(01/12 15:57:2 Brian Fioca: but yes, Jon's right
(01/12 15:57:44) Jon: we can't plan rebellion BEFORE we're oppresssed
(01/12 15:57:45) Vandel: Yes, we need to make an impact on a lot of explorers, but not the kind that will scare them off
(01/12 15:57:52) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:58:04) Jon: what we are planning, very cautiously, for the meeting
(01/12 15:58:04) Larkspur: Well, you won't have EVERYONE if someone doesn't explain to us new people.
(01/12 15:58:10) FlangBG: can't you fix the problem by communicating through different ages?
(01/12 15:58:15) Brian Fioca: in the past, our group has had to be more aggressive... but we have made progress
(01/12 15:58:16) Albert Bowen: what's the best website disseminating our side's info?
(01/12 15:58:20) Brian Fioca: so it isn't necessary anymore
(01/12 15:58:23) Mystlander: You attract more flies with honey, than with vinegar...
(01/12 15:58:27) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:58:2 Kam Uraki: Okay, wow
(01/12 15:58:3 Kam Uraki: Lot's of people
(01/12 15:58:39) Brian Fioca: Albert, check out bbs.fioca.com
(01/12 15:58:44) Albert Bowen: ty
(01/12 15:58:50) Brian Fioca: it's a work in progress... we are adding more information every day
(01/12 15:58:51) Brian Fioca: and members
(01/12 15:58:55) Jon: we hope for an explorer's seat on teh DRC, in an observational capacity
(01/12 15:59:04) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 15:59:07) Brian Fioca: to audit
(01/12 15:59:0 Jon: as an ultimate goal
(01/12 15:59:16) Kam Uraki: Exactly
(01/12 15:59:26) Brian Fioca: since they have all the control, we won't know if they are hiding things from us...
(01/12 15:59:29) Jon: some way to prevent their keeping secrets
(01/12 15:59:3 Brian Fioca: and we can't let them govern us without representation
(01/12 15:59:57) Albert Bowen: just like a government entity... take their time
(01/12 16:00:00) Shinbo: sometimes they keep secrets with good reasons
(01/12 16:00:00) Brian Fioca: I think they're reasonable, and they will come around
(01/12 16:00:04) Jon: no exploration without representation!
(01/12 16:00:06) Mystlander: Speaking of secrets, will Sharper be sharing the linking books he found with us?
(01/12 16:00:06) Thanakar: you're gonna need more than that, a seat on a council won't keep them from keeping secrets from you
(01/12 16:00:19) Brian Fioca: Mystlander, ... interesting question
(01/12 16:00:20) Brian Fioca: probably
(01/12 16:00:27) Jon: it will if we have access to all of the internal memos, and all of the meeting logs
(01/12 16:00:41) Thanakar: has sharper explained the 314 in his office on the painting?
(01/12 16:00:46) Vandel: I can't see that happening, the DRC would surely dissaprove of it
(01/12 16:00:53) Brian Fioca: haven't talked to him since it has been discovered
(01/12 16:01:05) Brian Fioca: and it isn't really his office, it's an old office of D'ni
(01/12 16:01:05) Jon: perhaps- but it is a good place to start compromising from
(01/12 16:01:07) Kam Uraki: And it was the Baron's office first
(01/12 16:01:09) Brian Fioca: he just used it
(01/12 16:01:10) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 16:01:20) Brian Fioca: it's a good start
(01/12 16:01:21) Thanakar: I see
(01/12 16:01:45) Brian Fioca: I understand there are still many questions unanswered
(01/12 16:01:50) Brian Fioca: and people have a lot of good ideas
(01/12 16:01:55) Mystlander: I thought the 314 was a clue to opening the cell gates
(01/12 16:01:5 Kam Uraki: Any of you care to join, by the way? We need your support
(01/12 16:02:00) Brian Fioca: and hopefully it'll all come together
(01/12 16:02:11) Thanakar: KI didn't work in Prime
(01/12 16:02:17) Shinbo: join what?
(01/12 16:02:24) Kam Uraki: KI's hardly work now, lol
(01/12 16:02:24) Jon: The Great Tree
(01/12 16:02:31) Vandel: Wow, it's amazing how many people are here
(01/12 16:02:40) Brian Fioca: yes, indeed
(01/12 16:02:45) Mystlander: Everyone, welcome to The Great Tree... awakening is the first step!
(01/12 16:02:51) Jon: didn't intend to have such a large meeting
(01/12 16:02:51) Thanakar: maks you understand why hthe city is just too big
(01/12 16:02:56) Vandel nods his head
(01/12 16:02:57) Thanakar: hardly any lag here
(01/12 16:03:02) Larkspur: Well, there isn't much to explore yet.
(01/12 16:03:02) FlangBG: i don't understand what the great tree is
(01/12 16:03:10) Kam Uraki: If any of you has any questions, feel free to ask
(01/12 16:03:13) Brian Fioca: the great tree represnents D'ni
(01/12 16:03:27) Brian Fioca: we are the roots of the great tree
(01/12 16:03:33) Brian Fioca: the new D'ni
(01/12 16:03:33) FlangBG: that i unserstand, but where is it?
(01/12 16:03:46) Thanakar: its a metaphor
(01/12 16:03:47) Larkspur: Could someone summerize the goals of the group, please?
(01/12 16:03:51) Brian Fioca: in some ways it is symbolic
(01/12 16:04:02) Jon: we will have a site up soon
(01/12 16:04:02) FlangBG: makes sense
(01/12 16:04:05) Brian Fioca: our goals right now are two fold
(01/12 16:04:07) Jon: with our goals
(01/12 16:04:0 Brian Fioca: in summary:
(01/12 16:04:13) Kam Uraki: Our goal is to have a voice in the restoration
(01/12 16:04:24) Kam Uraki: Sorry, Bri
(01/12 16:04:32) Brian Fioca: we are forming a union of explorers to ensure the restoration goes as it should
(01/12 16:04:50) Brian Fioca: and we are going to attempt to gain representation on the DRC council for the exploerers
(01/12 16:05:04) Vandel: And not as a government, like the DRC is surely tuning into.. If I might add
(01/12 16:05:05) Brian Fioca: or some other way to ensure we are not kept in the dark
(01/12 16:05:09) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 16:05:11) Jon: basically, we want to change the way the cavern is governed
(01/12 16:05:13) Distant: "goes as it should"?
(01/12 16:05:17) Brian Fioca: more of a collaborative effort
(01/12 16:05:21) FlangBG: i agree
(01/12 16:05:22) Kam Uraki: As such, the more explorers who support us, the stronger our voice
(01/12 16:05:30) Larkspur: Got it. And bbs.fioca.com is a place to get more info?
(01/12 16:05:37) Jon: we need your help, every one
(01/12 16:05:42) Brian Fioca: yes, as it should according to yeesha, to make sure the istakes of the past aren't repeated
(01/12 16:05:47) Kam Uraki: Or, come here when it's less busy, lol
(01/12 16:05:57) Brian Fioca: yes, the web site will be growing and adding more information
(01/12 16:06:20) Albert Bowen: count me in
(01/12 16:06:25) Brian Fioca: most of the answers can be found in the symbolism of the great tree however
(01/12 16:06:27) Error: Don't know how to '/nod'
(01/12 16:06:27) Shinbo: IS this hood then supposed to be like a general meeting place
(01/12 16:06:33) Mystlander nods her head
(01/12 16:06:35) Distant: Ya lost me Brian. Who has the right to determin how the restoration "should" go?
(01/12 16:06:43) FlangBG: how do i join the great tree
(01/12 16:06:44) Kam Uraki: Yes, it is
(01/12 16:06:45) Brian Fioca: D'ni
(01/12 16:06:46) Larkspur: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for the information.
(01/12 16:06:52) Brian Fioca: D'ni does... we are d'ni
(01/12 16:06:53) Jon: all of us, together, have that right
(01/12 16:06:56) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 16:07:04) Shinbo: do we?
(01/12 16:07:13) Jon: as much as any of the DRC do
(01/12 16:07:13) Albert Bowen: I think Brian is maybe referring to checks and balances?
(01/12 16:07:17) Kam Uraki: I guess this hood was a good idea after all, huh?
(01/12 16:07:19) Brian Fioca: ballance
(01/12 16:07:19) Mystlander: If you flet the calling, then yes!
(01/12 16:07:27) Distant: So more accurately, you seed to provide "equal representation of the people of D'ni"
(01/12 16:07:29) Thanakar: We are the new D'ni, but so are Sharper and The DRC
(01/12 16:07:34) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 16:07:37) Jon: ralmus, I can hear that :p
(01/12 16:07:4 Brian Fioca: i can't hear ralmus
(01/12 16:07:49) Thanakar: Ralmus, use the truth
(01/12 16:07:55) Distant: you have to understand that there are conflicting views among us as to how the restoration should go.
(01/12 16:08:00) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 16:08:06) Brian Fioca: but that's expected
(01/12 16:08:14) Brian Fioca: we can work out our differences if we are united
(01/12 16:08:24) Mystlander cheers
(01/12 16:08:27) Jon: what matters is that we have a voice
(01/12 16:08:30) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 16:08:30) Albert Bowen does a dance
(01/12 16:08:35) Brian Fioca: everyone has a voice
(01/12 16:08:41) Brian Fioca: everyone is a leader
(01/12 16:09:02) Larkspur: Well, it sounds good to me and I'm in so far. I'll check the web back on the surface.
(01/12 16:09:19) Brian Fioca: and the more we tell, the more support we gain, the more we can accomplish
(01/12 16:09:2 Brian Fioca: the explorers are in control here
(01/12 16:09:32) Brian Fioca: we have proven that
(01/12 16:09:34) From Larkspur: Hi there. Hey, how did you sit down?
(01/12 16:09:39) Brian Fioca: but it is a massive responsiblitiy
(01/12 16:09:4 Brian Fioca: we must remember that
(01/12 16:09:49) Thanakar: Shouldn't the main message be that onl by working together can we hope to restore D'ni
(01/12 16:09:54) Jon: ralmus, please talk privately
(01/12 16:10:11) Brian Fioca: yes, we must work together
(01/12 16:10:17) Brian Fioca: but it won't be easy
(01/12 16:10:20) Jon: no you are not, it's quite rude
(01/12 16:10:2 Brian Fioca: the DRC will make it hard for us i'm sure...
(01/12 16:10:29) Brian Fioca: at times
(01/12 16:10:31) Thanakar: How many people understand where the water flows from?
(01/12 16:10:3 Thanakar: and how that connects us all
(01/12 16:10:49) Albert Bowen: hoa...evil chat spam!
(01/12 16:11:06) Brian Fioca: i think i can only hear some of you
(01/12 16:11:13) Albert Bowen: good thing
(01/12 16:11:19) Thanakar: Group hug..come closer
(01/12 16:11:20) Jon: there are a few speaking on different channels
(01/12 16:11:2 Brian Fioca: i may not be able to hear all of you... so if you want me to hear you can /shout
(01/12 16:12:11) Brian Fioca: it's great to see so many here
(01/12 16:12:31) Brian Fioca: does anyone have a count?
(01/12 16:12:34) Albert Bowen: o, Brian, what we can do now is just spread the word about the channels of info, I.E. the website?
(01/12 16:12:44) Thanakar: how's "ALOT" sound?
(01/12 16:12:45) Brian Fioca: yes albert, but gently
(01/12 16:12:4 Vandel: I will help as well if you'd like Kam
(01/12 16:12:51) Brian Fioca: we don't want to be pushy
(01/12 16:12:5 Brian Fioca: people have to come to the realization on their own
(01/12 16:13:13) slowlywakingup: whats going on in here
(01/12 16:13:1 Brian Fioca: the best way to spread the word sometimes is by letting people ask questions
(01/12 16:13:21) Thanakar: I see someone escpaed DS9
(01/12 16:13:32) Jon: just tell people the truth as wesee it, if they are willing to listen
((01/12 16:13:35)Mystlander: around 30, Brian
(01/12 16:13:3 Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 16:13:45) Brian Fioca: nice
(01/12 16:14:0 Jon: incredible, really
(01/12 16:14:09) slowlywakingup: whats going on in here
(01/12 16:14:09) Brian Fioca: maybe someday well have 300
(01/12 16:14:20) Brian Fioca: we are discussing our role in D'ni
(01/12 16:14:22) Brian Fioca: as exploeres
(01/12 16:14:24) Albert Bowen: I count 29, is that a limit in here?
(01/12 16:14:24) Brian Fioca: as restorers
(01/12 16:14:29) an'nie: Brian I got here late, can we expect to hear Douglas' opinion on these topics soon? Or have you spoken with him about all this?
(01/12 16:14:31) slowlywakingup: oh
(01/12 16:14:44) Brian Fioca: I haven't spoken to Douglas yet, but it seems he has returned
(01/12 16:14:52) Jon: we are still waiting for his opinion, but remember it is just that
(01/12 16:14:53) an'nie: okay
(01/12 16:14:56) Brian Fioca: I'm hoping he'll have time to talk to me, to us even
(01/12 16:15:00) Brian Fioca: but i'm not sure...
(01/12 16:15:02) slowlywakingup: did somethig important happen recently>
(01/12 16:15:09) Thanakar: I do support hte movemtn but I don't see the need fro me to change hoods,
(01/12 16:15:19) Thanakar: I can do more good in my own hood with the newcomers than here
(01/12 16:15:22) Brian Fioca: you don't need to change hoods, but you're welcome to if you want
(01/12 16:15:26) Albert Bowen: he's been in his relto for the past few hours, but not talking
(01/12 16:15:32) Jon: you don't really have to- it's just a convenient way to meet us
(01/12 16:16:07) Albert Bowen: so if we miss a meeting, it will be on the site?
(01/12 16:16:20) Brian Fioca: there will be information on the site...
(01/12 16:16:21) Thanakar: YOu've mentioned alot of short term goals, but what is the main goal?
(01/12 16:16:24) Jon: do we even have official meetings?
(01/12 16:16:26) Distant: the message boards are a good place to talk for anyone of any hood.
(01/12 16:16:34) Brian Fioca: i'm putting together a compliatoin of all the important information
(01/12 16:16:3 Albert Bowen: good
(01/12 16:16:46) Thanakar: that would be good
(01/12 16:16:54) Brian Fioca: sometimes we have meetings... but it'll become harder to have everyone get togeter as we grow
(01/12 16:17:03) Brian Fioca: so we'll just have to continue to spread the word
(01/12 16:17:05) Jon: that's why we need forums
(01/12 16:17:07) Thanakar: alot knowabout this, but have no clue what your agenda is
(01/12 16:17:16) Brian Fioca: right
(01/12 16:17:22) Brian Fioca: that's where we come in
(01/12 16:17:36) Brian Fioca: we have to start getting the message across... slowly
(01/12 16:17:43) Brian Fioca: if we push too hard, people will reject us
(01/12 16:17:50) Thanakar: that message being....unity?
(01/12 16:17:54) Brian Fioca: we have to let them come to their own conclusions
(01/12 16:18:03) Albert Bowen: a human 'internet' of sorts...
(01/12 16:18:11) Jon: to change the way the cavern is governed, for the benefit of all the explorers
(01/12 16:18:23) Brian Fioca: for the benefit of D'ni
(01/12 16:18:45) Brian Fioca: as ... mystical as that sounsd
(01/12 16:18:4 FlangBG: yes but i haven't been able to get beyond the court with the machine
(01/12 16:19:00) Thanakar: governed...
(01/12 16:19:13) Jon: with truth
(01/12 16:19:25) Albert Bowen: it seems the limits of the DRC so far are for our safety concerns, can we hope to influence them if this is not true?
(01/12 16:19:33) Brian Fioca: just remember our responsibility... as we get larger, we'll have to be more careful
(01/12 16:19:36) Brian Fioca: people will want to act out
(01/12 16:19:36) Jon: absolutely
(01/12 16:19:40) Brian Fioca: we have to contain ourselves
(01/12 16:19:41) Thanakar: what about what PHil said, the drc, sharper, explorere all being branches of the tree, and the tree can not prune itself
(01/12 16:19:47) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 16:19:50) Brian Fioca: correct
(01/12 16:19:54) Brian Fioca: but it can grow
(01/12 16:19:59) Brian Fioca: and that's what we plan to do
(01/12 16:20:16) Thanakar: talk about your growing pains
(01/12 16:20:33) Jon: we have to be prepared fpr that, too
(01/12 16:20:44) Brian Fioca: yes
(01/12 16:20:46) Thanakar: though brian we are not only the roots, we are also the blood and heart
(01/12 16:20:53) Albert Bowen nods his head
(01/12 16:21:02) Brian Fioca: yes, the branches
(01/12 16:21:31) Albert Bowen: I don't know of too many violent trees
(01/12 16:21:40) slowlywakingup: this is making absolutly no sense
(01/12 16:21:42) Distant: the tree metaphore can only go so far, we are people.
(01/12 16:21:43) Brian Fioca: anyway, Thanks Kam for setting up this neighborhood
(01/12 16:21:46) Albert Bowen: patience is their virtue
(01/12 16:21:57) slowlywakingup: i outta here
(01/12 16:22:01) an'nie: yes we are becoming the new heart of Dni and Phil said to follow our hearts
(01/12 16:22:49) Brian Fioca: so to those who are confused
(01/12 16:23:00) Brian Fioca: the Great Tree is a strong symbol in D'ni culture
(01/12 16:23:23) Brian Fioca: and we're standing behind that symbol to call for unity
(01/12 16:23:37) Brian Fioca: inspired by some things Phil said a few weeks ago
(01/12 16:23:45) Brian Fioca: and the jacket that Sharper gave me
(01/12 16:24:39) Kam Uraki: Can anyone hear me?
(01/12 16:24:46) Thanakar: I can hear you
(01/12 16:24:57) Maharet: yes
(01/12 16:25:02) To Kam Uraki: I hear you Kam
(01/12 16:25:12) Albert Bowen: can we count on the Bahro for anything, or are they too primitive?
(01/12 16:25:22) Kam Uraki: Blasted KI!
(01/12 16:25:25) Brian Fioca: the Bahro will be important somehow
(01/12 16:25:36) Jon: we don't know anything about them, but don't make the mistake of calling them primitive
(01/12 16:25:41) Distant: Has anyone here actualy met a Bahro?
(01/12 16:25:47) Vandel: They know much, I don't see how else they could be usefull
(01/12 16:25:53) Albert Bowen: I only asked
(01/12 16:26:06) Thanakar: Brian, will you push against Douglas as you would the DRC should he ever show that he no longer has the best interest of the explorers at heart?
(01/12 16:26:19) Brian Fioca: yes, i will, thanakar
(01/12 16:26:21) Thanakar: well..that sucked
(01/12 16:26:25) Thanakar: thanks brian
(01/12 16:26:35) Brian Fioca: nobody has all the answers
(01/12 16:26:37) Brian Fioca: not the DRC
(01/12 16:26:39) Brian Fioca: not Sharper
(01/12 16:26:40) Brian Fioca: not us
(01/12 16:26:47) Brian Fioca: we have to work together
(01/12 16:27:21) Thanakar: for those that are wondering, phil said there is only one person NOT part of this tree, that is Yeesha
(01/12 16:27:23) Vandel: Exactly, we have no answers, we're trying to find them though
(01/12 16:27:42) Thanakar: makes me wonder..
(01/12 16:27:46) Brian Fioca: I'm going to be going now... but thanks for being here, and showing your support, i'll keep everyone posted
(01/12 16:27:56) Thanakar: I take it doug isn't goign to show?
(01/12 16:28:01) Vandel: I doubt anyone knows the perfect way to run the restoration... But thats what we are looking for
(01/12 16:28:04) Albert Bowen: thanks, Brian
(01/12 16:28:05) Jon: he hasn't so far
(01/12 16:28:15) Mystlander: Thank you, Brian, for speaking with us... I have a chat log, and will post it.
(01/12 16:28:20) Vandel: Thank you for coming Brian, hope to see you again
(01/12 16:28:29) Brian Fioca: your welcome, good to see all of you
(01/12 16:28:37) Jon: goodby, brian
(01/12 16:28:41) ...Chat.log stopped.
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[Daarboven]

dear mystlander, thanks for the log of the meeting(i apreciate the effort that people here put in keeping us all up to date), though something strange happended in the end of it. while the meeting, some bug/spamming occured which you, as i see, edited out. but by accident (i hope) you must have been editing my questions and comments also, since i miss everything i said but my first sentence(which on top was not finished due to lags). i surely do not want to troll here, and my point is more that editing should be visible in the log (maybe some [/..../] to make clear that there are parts cut.) i feel a bit concerned because in the meeting my questions had not been answered by the adressants even before the bug/spamming made it impossible to insist or chat at all.

if anithing went down anyones throat the wrong way now, please excuse me in advance..blame it on me being not capable enough of the foreign language or either me being stupid (chose which you prefer...)

[Jon]

It might not be a matter of editing, Daarboven. Unless you were /shouting, she might not have picked up what you said. I know I didn't, unless you go by a different name in the cavern.
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[Sa'rUK]

I too have a chat log and don't have anything from you Daarboven, sorry.
I did come in a little after it started though.
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[Daarboven]

i didn't know i would have to /shout since everybody was close to me. i was standing on the stairs of the nexus room in the great tree hood.
and my name is the same here and there, you 'll find it in the log in one place where i started: 've been listening'(thats when the lag stopped me from writing). the lag went better later so i could write again.
so i guess if i am missed in everybodys chatlog it is indeed a strange bug. URU ignores me<sniff>
well maybe i will have the chance later on to have some of my questions answered in the GT 'Hood or elsewhere.
still i feel a bit strange with being um,er, ignored (sorry, i still need a better word,in german i would have plenty)not only live but in the log...

thanks for checking your logs for me....

[Jon]

That's the great thing about us not being in the DRC: if you want to ask a question of him, Brian is on several hours a day and you can just flag him down and ask him. If you can't find him in cavern, you can guarantee he'll read your post. No need to frantically scan logs when he's right here. Of course, the rest of us are certainly here for questions as well; Brian is just more equal than everyone else .
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[brian]

I haven't been in the cavern as much as I'd like to lately, but I do try to read the posts here as often as possible.

Always available for questions. Daedalus and Dusante and Kev are also great people to ask.
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[Daarboven]

this lifts my mood a lot...
Okay I'll try to resume my questions, though out of the dry they sound to insisting to me..anyway, I'll take what comes.
@Brian: 1."Do you have a dedicated plan on how the explorers can gain a voice at the DRC, or was this meeting just the first to find out how everybody feels about that?"
2."i know that things in the cavern are spoken IC, but you sounded, err, fuzzy on matters of what could be done in the near future. Is this 'cause you still think on the matter or not to heat up the situation?"
@Kam uraki: "you seemed to feel uncomfortable with the meeting afterwards, may i ask why(if i got you right)?"

ok, that's it from me for now, and as i said before, don't want to insist to much, if i do, sorry for that.

[brian]

[Daarboven]

that was a very quick and rich response. i hope that you achieve your goals as i find your ways very well balanced and positive. Thanks,

Daar

[U'anme]