The Great Tree

Professor Askew · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:54 am Post subject:

I'm sorry, what did you say? Razz

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dcos · Great Tree Member Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1174

Eleri · Great Tree Member Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 819

What 'nat said
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Professor Askew · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:

Well said, Alahmnat.
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dcos · Great Tree Member Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1174

Nod Nod.
I just don't think any of us could look at a N'N'uru with any optimism cautious or not.

Cycreim · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject:

I don't think I could handle another Uru. It is time to move on. I'd like to see D'ni live on as a world but... let's see what Cyan can do when they're not burdened by the lumbering beast that was Myst Online.
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Rils · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject:

Sigh. I felt in my bones this was coming, too bad I had to learn of it between meetings while travelling...

I agree with the thoughts that we shouldn't give up on Uru, but it needs a different form than Myst Online. I don't know what that will be though. So much potential was there... The ecology experiments with the Pods, the puzzles that will never be solved, the games that will never be played... Oh well.

To be honest, I think I stopped caring some time ago.

As Alahmnat said, it's time to move on.

Hopefully I can party with you guys one last time before the plug is pulled again.
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dcos · Great Tree Member Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1174

Interesting proposal by Papa Smurf:

http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14761

janaba1 · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject:

That's sooo great, Dan and all... I love to watch all of
the developments... What a wonderful community... Very Happy

Durin Mephit · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:

I'm not entirely sure what to think of the proposal.

"Papa Smurf" has a bit of notoriety as I recall. But, trying to look at the proposal with an open mind, it seems well reasoned.
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Cycreim · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:21 am Post subject:

You know, Cyan ran Until Uru with the hopes that the Cavern would live again... I'm not willing to wait Until again. At the same time, I'm worried that D'ni is going to be forever buried again.

Rather than lock Uru away, I'd love to see Cyan hand development over to the fans, while maintaining only veto control and whatever input they see fit to provide the players.

I mean think about it... Cyan runs the servers like they did with Until Uru. They pay one or two employees to make sure the tech on their end is running. Their salary plus bandwidth is covered by a small monthly upkeep fee. With constant content being developed by the community for the community, it might be entirely worthwhile. If Cyan could handle this type of arrangement financially, it might even turn a profit, but I have no idea what kind of numbers they'd have to turn to keep all this running.

In that sense, Uru would become more of an experiment than a proper game... but that would beat the hell out of having it disappear completely.

I also love his suggestion of having an "official" shard and lots of splinter shards in which creativity is encouraged at the expense of realism... the results of these experiments are easily transferrable to the official shard if someone finds a good use for them.

This is such an exciting concept, and I hope against hope that Cyan is open-minded enough to give it a shot.
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BladeLakem · Great Tree Member Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 514

I honestly think the shard idea with their being an official shard for the canon story would be an excellent idea, especially if Cyan would be willing to adopt patches, features and Ages that fans make.

There are legal and financial concerns, certainly. But my major concern is Cyan itself. Cyan is very protective of their IP, and they have really ignored almost any attempt to bring the community in on things for all of MOUL. I can see them not wanting to give that much control to the community.

I think it might work if Cyan throws their weight behind the idea. But if it's half-hearted support, I am dubious.
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Cycreim · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:07 am Post subject:

I believe this would be a risk that would be worth taking.
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Erik · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:29 am Post subject:

Some weeks ago I posted that if Uru died, I wouldn't like another UU, but now that it has actually happened, I'm not so sure of it any more. I too am afraid that the cavern might be buried forever.

I think I'd like some sort of Until Uru... Perhaps Cyan could somehow finish the Guild concept and release an Until Uru. So, an UU were the Guilds can be active and Writers can write Ages that are new, unexplored, non-D'ni Ages, written by the explorers like how Cyan envisioned it work in MOUL.

(And perhaps Cyan could automise the lake lighting as a bonus...)

What I don't really want is an Until Uru where nothing can change, where nothing has happened. Then people would start visiting D'ni less and less frequently, until even Until Uru died.

What I also don't want is an UU completely given to the fans. I don't want people making the lake lighter, I don't want people to build something that could be J'taeri. I know the community is very creative, but the D'ni story should only be told by Cyan in my opinion. I do like the concept Cyan had about us becoming the new writers, writing our own links to new worlds. Making a home.
So, I don't want a static UU, but I also don't want a UU completely run by the fans. I'd like something in the middle.

And having said that, I'll just wait until we see what direction Cyan is going to take. According to the SpokesMan review, Cyan is thinking of running the servers by themselves...
I'm not going to worry about the future too much, until there's a definitive message from Cyan about the future. And besides, we still have two months left.