The Great Tree

Professor Askew · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:20 am Post subject:

I'm still not too sure about these Guilds....................
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janaba1 · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:36 am Post subject:

Me too....

But I'm very happy for the Guild of Writers

What Montgomery says about the potential for cooperation is right,
but very idealistic, though I wouldn't agree with all his examples
mentioned above, but in general it's all a looong way....

I really don't know if people in general are already at the stage
where they can build up such a vast network, that could really
benefit the whole community as to fun/enjoyment of gameplay,
to inspiration, dedication to whatever, creativity...and whatnot...

Creativity in all its shapes and forms, IMO, is flowing in freedom...
hope there will be left enough space...

There's too much to say and to discuss, that would fill books
resp. pages/sites...lol...
So, those are my two cents so far, for the moment... Very Happy

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Durin Mephit · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:31 am Post subject:

Monty said to respond at another forum, not here.

Razz

But really, shouldn't it be a "All-Guild-Wannabees-Meeting" ? If it's truly a meeting of the Guilds, there should only be one group in attendance... the GoG... because no other Guilds actually exist yet, aside from in certain peoples' minds.
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janaba1 · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:36 am Post subject:

Sorry, Marten, but my comment wasn't a response to Monty,
but to Professor Askew's thoughts and the GT friends... Very Happy

Professor Askew · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:40 am Post subject:

If Monty wants to read what I write he can come here and read it. My comments are directed at TGT.

So, maybe the future of The Great Tree is to keep an eye on the progression of the Guilds. What was Cate's dream? To have the Guilds meet in the Guild Hall and basically run things in the Cavern? This leaves Explorers not Guild-affiliated out in the cold....which is their choice, of course. But, that doesn't make it right. So maybe those Explorers should feel comfortable coming to TGT to air Cavern grievances, I don't know. I DO know that once upon a time there were many people in the Cavern who were less than thrilled being told what to do by the DRC, The Great Tree included. I don't see any reason why these same people would be any happier being "led" by the Guilds.

Interesting times coming.
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janaba1 · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:47 am Post subject:

I'm right there with you at all points, Prof Askew... Very Happy

Pryftan · Explorer Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Posts: 9

I think the problem with the Guild system is that all this stuff is already around, it just needs to be pushed by Cyan into combining under that name, or it'll never happen. The Guild of Maintainers is basically the Guild of Inspectors. The Guild of Messengers has existed as The D'ni Network and TCT and CCN and the Relayers. The Guild of Writers has existed as HuruStudio and Age Builders and Ilathid. The Guild of Greeters, as you note, is already well-established in the cavern and so is the Guild of Cartographers, plus all the people have been making unconnected maps (*cough* Minkata) for a very long time.

The problem is that we have too many pseudo-leaders for any such convalescence to happen. Add to this the amount of new people trying to start their own Guild of Whatever, and you just have a mess. The DRC really should recognize these individual groups.. any nod in their direction, any approval of one of them to take up the Guild mantle, would result in the other groups approaching the first to join and become the Guild.
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Rils · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:30 am Post subject:

I think you have a good line of thinking there, Prof. At one time we set ourselves up to be a "watchdog" on the DRC, perhaps we can expand that to the Guild system.

While I plan on participating in a Guild myself (we're working on turning the DZS into a Guild of Naturalists or something like that), I don't believe it jives with the purpose of the GT as a group to affiliate themselves with a particular Guild. Rather, our role should be to keep an eye on what's going on and act to make sure Truth and Knowledge, rather than Pride and Power, continue to guide the restoration.
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Erik · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject:

I don't think the Guilds will rule D'ni once more.

There are a lot of skills among the members of the community. By introducing the Guilds, there will be a better way for Explorers to work together on something creative, to help in the restoration. It's not about power, it's about sharing your talents with others and turning your talents into something productive.

Professor Askew · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject:

That's an optimistic outlook, Erik, and in a perfect world you'd be spot on.

Let me be clear: I'm not against the Guilds. I'm simply saying that I'm not going to go whole hog on the idea just yet. I support people's desires to work together toward a common goal. There are a few Guilds I'm interested in...if I had more time.

But, the fact of the matter is, it's the DRC support that worries me. Distrust of the DRC is old hat, I know. But, nothing has changed over the past three and a half years to change my opinion of them. In fact, it's only soured since Cate's arrival. I hope that the Explorer's who participate in this venture aren't being led by the nose by an "organization" who doesn't seem to comprehend what's happening around them. I mean, what good are Guilds if the Bahro war brings the Cavern down around us?
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Durin Mephit · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject:

Side note:

Forum discussion explaining the meaning of "going the whole hog": http://p211.ezboard.com/Going-the-whole-hog/fwordoriginsorgfrm5.showMessage?topicID=46.topic

What I like about the guilds is that, although organized by the DRC, they're not really run by the DRC, and I can't imagine the DRC really taking on that role. The DRC is too inept and disorganized to do that.

The guilds are another method of explorer representation. Weren't we for that?
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Erik · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject:

Exactly! There are some "Guilds" among the Explorers already, everyone is able to set up an organisation. The difference with the official DRC supported Guilds is that the DRC can supply us with certain tools.
For example, we've been given Kirel as a meeting place. And remember that Kirel was the DRC's 'hood for a while, but they decided to give it to us and to use just a casual Bevin for themselves.
I suspect that the DRC will have more tools and supplies for the Guilds in the future.

They're only helping the Guilds and supplying them with tools, without any gain for themselves (besides popularity perhaps?).

Professor Askew · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:

You both bring up valid points and I will take them to heart in my consideration. Then again, I'm not really taking up this issue from the perspective of Joe and Jane Explorer. If I haven't made it clear, I think this is a wonderful opportunity to participate in Cavern events and projects with some structure. I'm really looking at the big picture. Speaking of which: