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Kyven
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 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: J.D. Barnes visits the 'hood |
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| Quote: | (09/09 21:18:14) Chat.log started...
(09/09 21:18:14) Marten: Shorah, Mr. Barnes.
(09/09 21:18:14) Cycreim: Haha, we were just about to go and find you.
(09/09 21:18:17) J.D. Barnes: Shorah b'shemtee
(09/09 21:18:19) Cycreim waves hello
(09/09 21:18:20) janaba: Shorah Mr. Barnes :-))
(09/09 21:18:22) J.D. Barnes: Oh? Why is that?
(09/09 21:18:24) janaba waves hello
(09/09 21:18:30) Kyven waves hello
(09/09 21:18:40) Marten: To ask your thoughts on what we've heard today.
(09/09 21:19:08) Marten: Though I suppose you might be tired of repeating them by now... in which case, you can just chill here.
(09/09 21:19:10) J.D. Barnes: How ironic. I came to ask you the same thing.
(09/09 21:19:27) janaba: haha...
(09/09 21:19:43) Cycreim: Serendipitous!
(09/09 21:19:54) janaba: :-)
(09/09 21:20:12) Marten: Well, I missed almost everything personally. Cycreim, you felt Nick was being facetious, didn't you?
(09/09 21:20:16) Cycreim: Phil's been acting... he seems more out of it than he ever has. It's like he's in some whole other world.
(09/09 21:20:43) J.D. Barnes: Hmm.. if he's been associating with the Bahro, that might not be entirely inaccurate.
(09/09 21:20:59) Cycreim: I wasn't there, but yeah I think Nick was just joking around. I'm more concerned about the way Phil is acting. He's even making Sharper nervous.
(09/09 21:21:05) Marten: (I'll offer my thoughts when the topic moves to Reteltee.)
(09/09 21:21:17) J.D. Barnes: I've not heard about what Mr. White said. Can you bring me up to speed?
(09/09 21:21:29) janaba: :-)
(09/09 21:22:00) janaba: Nothing special, just said we should wear green and yellow
(09/09 21:22:21) janaba: and said we should lookout for Phil that's it so far
(09/09 21:22:22) Cycreim: I forget what it was specifically, but I think it was poking fun at Phil's comments on colours and the speculation about same.
(09/09 21:22:27) Marten: Is it true that Phil associated blue with "home" ?
(09/09 21:22:29) janaba: otherwise only joking
(09/09 21:22:37) Cycreim: I didn't hear that at all, Marten.
(09/09 21:22:54) Cycreim: Green and Yellow is... Greeters and Messengers, so
(09/09 21:23:08) J.D. Barnes: Well, he may simply be pointing out his obsession with the University of Oregon sports teams,
(09/09 21:23:09) Cycreim: Both very PR-oriented groups :D
(09/09 21:23:23) Cycreim: ...
(09/09 21:23:25) Cycreim: oh
(09/09 21:23:26) Marten: Ducks. *snrk*
(09/09 21:23:30) Cycreim: it would be that, wouldn't it, haha
(09/09 21:23:31) J.D. Barnes: As an alumnus of Oregon State, I'm a bit of a Badger fan myself.
(09/09 21:23:35) janaba: yes, that's what the others suggested too
(09/09 21:23:47) Marten: Ducks, Beavers, Badgers...
(09/09 21:24:05) J.D. Barnes smiles.
(09/09 21:24:35) J.D. Barnes: What do you think of the days events?
(09/09 21:24:39) Cycreim: Let's turn the topic to Reteltee, since I'm curious about what you have to say, Marten
(09/09 21:24:54) janaba: yeah, good idea:-)
(09/09 21:25:01) J.D. Barnes nods his head
(09/09 21:25:09) janaba: in general, Mr. Barnes?
(09/09 21:25:39) J.D. Barnes: In general or in specific. I'm more than happy to follow the flow of conversation.
(09/09 21:25:44) janaba: ok, go ahead, Marten :-)
(09/09 21:26:16) Marten: Reteltee's position bothers me. He's complicit with the DRC's way of doing things, because he feels if he isn't, we won't get any information. So he's willing to make do with the little they offer.
(09/09 21:26:50) Marten: And of the information he's picked up, he's admitted to keeping some secret from the rest of us, because the DRC apparently doesn't want him to share just yet.
(09/09 21:27:18) Cycreim considers that.
(09/09 21:27:38) J.D. Barnes: It's an interesting balance - to remain useful, he must withhold what he would normally not.
(09/09 21:28:03) J.D. Barnes: However, he is dropping hints at a surprising rate.
(09/09 21:28:06) Marten: Several people suggested that this is not a wise course of action, and that "secrecy breeds mistrust", to use another's choice of words.
(09/09 21:28:28) Cycreim: A self-fulling prophecy.
(09/09 21:28:35) Cycreim: fulfilling, rather.
(09/09 21:29:11) J.D. Barnes: Most of us do what we think is best with the information we have available. I'm convinced that Reteltee is in earnest.
(09/09 21:29:11) janaba: I believe, what you've said is true, Mr. Barnes...if they would only listen :-)
(09/09 21:29:31) Marten: My feeling is that while Reteltee thinks he's helping, by being complicit with the DRC he's hindering our opportunity for greater access to information.
(09/09 21:29:36) janaba: right, that, too
(09/09 21:29:54) Cycreim: That's potentialy true
(09/09 21:30:12) J.D. Barnes: That's a tough call to make. But it is a possibility.
(09/09 21:30:15) Marten: Of course, we'll never convince _everyone_ that "some information is NOT better than none"...but I wish we could convince the DRC of that.
(09/09 21:30:44) Cycreim: I'm not sure what questions we're not getting answered. I haven't really been interested in the whole guilds thing.
(09/09 21:30:52) J.D. Barnes: I'm sure the DRC knows that Reteltee is unhappy with the cone of silence they have imposed upon him. If Cate is smart, she'll assume he will leak at some point.
(09/09 21:30:58) Cycreim: so I dunno, I haven't been keeping up on that front.
(09/09 21:31:31) Marten: I don't know, JD. He's leaking a little I guess, but... I'll be darned if I can understand it. But a point I made at the meeting was this: Ever heard the phrase, "Just enough knowledge to be dangerous?". That's where I feel we are.
(09/09 21:31:31) J.D. Barnes: I think that what Reteltee knows and is not telling is not directly related to his position.
(09/09 21:31:53) janaba: she just pretends to not care about all that, Phil and war and such
(09/09 21:32:05) J.D. Barnes: In no way is Ms. Alexander that foolish.
(09/09 21:32:32) Marten: of course she's not foolish. She doesn't want to spook sources of funding...
(09/09 21:32:46) janaba: she says that again and again
(09/09 21:32:47) Cycreim: Cate's obtuse. It's hard to dig through her layers of PR.
(09/09 21:32:53) Cycreim: Hey Pauline!
(09/09 21:32:57) Marten: Shorah, Pauline.
(09/09 21:33:00) J.D. Barnes: She is, as they say, a control freak. Either she is bluffing, or she knows enough to not be worried.
(09/09 21:33:09) Pauline: Shorah
(09/09 21:33:10) janaba: Shorah Pauline
(09/09 21:33:12) J.D. Barnes: Shorah Pauline
(09/09 21:33:23) Marten: You know, when we circle around the linkin point, people really do step right into the middle of things on entry.
(09/09 21:33:26) janaba: or like that
(09/09 21:33:41) Cycreim: My instincts say she's bluffing, but who knows.
(09/09 21:34:02) Marten: I thought her comment on the "spyroom" question was well considered.
(09/09 21:34:30) janaba: I wonder what kind of knowledge everybody is missingexactly...
(09/09 21:34:46) Marten: As Cycreim I believe predicted, someone asked her about it again.
(09/09 21:34:50) Marten: Shorah Kyle.
(09/09 21:34:57) J.D. Barnes: Well, Reteltee knows more than he is saying.
(09/09 21:35:03) janaba: Shorah Kyle
(09/09 21:35:05) Cycreim: Sharper would be a much better person to ask about the spyroom :P
(09/09 21:35:07) Cycreim: Hey Kyle!
(09/09 21:35:13) J.D. Barnes: And he is dropping hints. So, what hints has he dropped?
(09/09 21:35:14) Marten: Yeah.
(09/09 21:35:16) Cycreim: That's for sure JD
(09/09 21:35:36) J.D. Barnes: What interests me is taht he keeps mentioning 'watchers'.
(09/09 21:36:00) janaba: yes, and he doesn't make a secret of it, but as you've already mentioned, he's given a lot of hints...what more does everybody want?
(09/09 21:36:02) J.D. Barnes: But he says it as if he means Watcher as a title.
(09/09 21:36:15) janaba: I'm not too fast Mr. Barnes as I'm German lol
(09/09 21:36:16) Marten: It's pretty clear that Reteltee thinks very highly of Dr. Watson and believes he will return.
(09/09 21:36:39) J.D. Barnes: Notice he always mention he's hoping for 'the good doctor.'
(09/09 21:36:49) J.D. Barnes: Does that mean there is a bad doctor as well, that he is worried about?
(09/09 21:36:50) Cycreim: It won't be the same Dr. Watson of the past, if his journal is anything to go by.
(09/09 21:37:00) Marten: Yes, JD. And note that his comments on being "Watched" took place in "The Watcher's Pub."
(09/09 21:37:26) Cycreim: Hmm.
(09/09 21:37:28) Marten: Shorah, Jacob.
(09/09 21:37:29) Cycreim: Hey Jacob!
(09/09 21:37:34) Jacob Prentice: Shorah
(09/09 21:37:38) Cycreim: How do Phil's comments on colours fit into that though?
(09/09 21:37:40) janaba: Shorah Jacob :-)
(09/09 21:37:41) J.D. Barnes: Shorah Jacob
(09/09 21:38:07) Cycreim: And he kept saying "cool", but I'm not sure if he meant that in the usual slang way.
(09/09 21:38:24) janaba: he also has a humming speech and likes Watson and waits for him urgently
(09/09 21:38:34) Jacob Prentice: What are Phil's comments on colors? I haven't met anyone yet who was sure what he'd actually said...
(09/09 21:38:51) Cycreim: He's been going into different 'hoods and playing with their lights.
(09/09 21:38:57) Marten: Achysan reported that Phil associated blue with home, while in the Guild of Greeters. That's all I know.
(09/09 21:38:58) J.D. Barnes: He seemed to indicate that colors were important.
(09/09 21:39:01) Cycreim: Yes
(09/09 21:39:20) Cycreim: And I think he commented on someone's hood that had green lights on (not ours)
(09/09 21:39:31) Cycreim: And someone elses, the GoG I think, that had their blue lights on...
(09/09 21:39:32) Marten: Right, yesterday.
(09/09 21:39:42) Marten: and that would be today.
(09/09 21:40:01) janaba: right
(09/09 21:40:04) Cycreim: They're both "cool" colours, in colour theory :P
(09/09 21:40:20) Cycreim: But... hmm. Confounding.
(09/09 21:40:41) J.D. Barnes: I'm not certain we know enough about Mr. Henderson's intentions to determine a meaning, yet.
(09/09 21:40:57) Cycreim: I agree with that wholeheartedly.
(09/09 21:41:09) Jacob Prentice: Context would be helpful.
(09/09 21:41:31) Marten: Seriously. How can you defend yourself with... colors?
(09/09 21:41:41) Cycreim: In time, I think we'll get that context, Jacob. Until then speculation is fine, so long as we're ready for new information when it comes.
(09/09 21:42:16) Cycreim: The Bahro seem to stay away from a certain symbol, so them being afraid of colours makes a lot of sense. :P
(09/09 21:42:43) Cycreim: Hey Tai!
(09/09 21:42:44) Jacob Prentice: Yeah, I can't say I was impressed by that "Safe Haven" Bevin...
(09/09 21:42:48) J.D. Barnes: Well, the obvious metaphor is that colors refers to Guilds, as the Guilds are signified by color
(09/09 21:42:50) janaba: Shorah Tay :-))
(09/09 21:43:03) Tai'lahr: Shorah y'all
(09/09 21:43:05) Cycreim: Yeah, that's on the menu for sure.
(09/09 21:43:06) J.D. Barnes: shorah Tai'lahr
(09/09 21:43:14) Marten: Symbolism then? Hm. So perhaps we need to ask Phil what the different colors mean to him.
(09/09 21:43:32) Cycreim: Good idea, Marten.
(09/09 21:43:35) Marten: Shorah Tai :)
(09/09 21:43:35) Tai'lahr: He doesn't seem to be answering any questions right now, though. :)
(09/09 21:43:36) J.D. Barnes: Reteltee also mentioned that Guilds were, in his opinion, critical.
(09/09 21:43:41) Jacob Prentice: If he answers you. If he sticks around long enough.
(09/09 21:43:46) Cycreim shrugs
(09/09 21:43:51) Cycreim: Critical? Meh.
(09/09 21:43:59) Marten: Caffeinated gnat, like I've said.
(09/09 21:44:37) J.D. Barnes: He made agood point. The Guilds did maintain D'ni society ofr many times longer than any institution in human history has endured.
(09/09 21:45:46) Cycreim: Yeah but we don't have guilds on the surface, and we're doing ok. No worse than we have for thousands of years.
(09/09 21:45:59) Cycreim: Well, we do have guilds, but they exist for keeping trade secrets. :)
(09/09 21:46:00) janaba: He said the Guilds, they may save us, they may brake us
(09/09 21:46:25) Marten: I've always thought that the D'ni placed a greater value on the life of one of their own... they had such a long lifespan, and produced children so infrequently... that to die early would be to lose so much.
(09/09 21:46:32) Cycreim: I just find it strange that everyone's so gung-ho about them, I don't see what use they are... yet.
(09/09 21:46:36) Cycreim: Hey Ja'lana!
(09/09 21:46:43) Ja'lana: shorah
(09/09 21:46:44) Marten: Shorah, Ja'lana.
(09/09 21:46:48) Cycreim: I'm not opposed to them, mind, but... I dunno.
(09/09 21:47:07) janaba: Shorah Ja'lana :-)
(09/09 21:47:08) J.D. Barnes: They are a chance to act. Something which the DRC has not provided previously.
(09/09 21:47:17) J.D. Barnes: That's obviously attractive.
(09/09 21:47:18) Marten: I read that the guilds currently selected were made at Reteltee's suggestion...
(09/09 21:47:19) Ja'lana: talking about the guilds?
(09/09 21:47:21) Jacob Prentice: Depends on if they actually get to do anything other than wear T-shirts.
(09/09 21:47:23) janaba: right, Mr. Barnes
(09/09 21:47:33) J.D. Barnes: Jacob, very true.
(09/09 21:47:50) Marten: The Greeters already do do something other than wear Tshirts.
(09/09 21:47:59) Tai'lahr: :)
(09/09 21:48:24) Jacob Prentice: They're also the odd man out in terms of historic D'ni structure.
(09/09 21:48:27) Cycreim: Act on what though?
(09/09 21:48:32) Marten: I wish Futographer were around, he'd be driving the Cartographers for certain.
(09/09 21:48:46) janaba: yes, but they've an experience for years and we're just befinning
(09/09 21:49:20) Marten: The Writers will sort themselves out eventually, I expect fighting among them, but they'll produce works too.
(09/09 21:49:45) Tai'lahr: I think we're witnessing the birth of the foundation of the future of the D'ni Community.
(09/09 21:49:59) Cycreim nods his head
(09/09 21:49:59) janaba: Yeah that Tay :-)
(09/09 21:50:03) Cycreim: For what it's worth.
(09/09 21:50:07) Marten: I've been fortunate to see a little of what the writers have worked on. Interesting stuff.
(09/09 21:50:17) J.D. Barnes: Tai'lahr, I agree. But whether it is an appropriate foundation or not is still up for debate.
(09/09 21:50:21) janaba: it's our choice how it's going to go along
(09/09 21:50:24) Jacob Prentice: I wonder if we're putting too much stock in the way the D'ni did things. If maybe the Guilds should have been organized along different lines.
(09/09 21:50:49) Tai'lahr: Well, yes, we have to adapt them to our needs now.
(09/09 21:51:11) J.D. Barnes: The concerns of D'ni are not ours, entirely.
(09/09 21:51:13) Marten: We aren't D'ni; we are new D'ni. We're D'D'ni.
(09/09 21:51:29) Jacob Prentice: D'ni'?
(09/09 21:51:40) J.D. Barnes raises an eyebrow.
(09/09 21:51:44) Cycreim: We're Earthlings from the planet Earth!
(09/09 21:51:47) janaba: :-)
(09/09 21:51:50) Marten: :D
(09/09 21:51:56) Cycreim: Under the planet Earth, in D'ni. :)
(09/09 21:51:58) Jacob Prentice: Hmm... The "prime" mark kinda got lost in the question mark...
(09/09 21:52:00) Tai'lahr: Um, some of us believe we're D'ni decendants and that's why we felt the call to come here and rebuild this community.
(09/09 21:52:15) Jacob Prentice: We come in peace. :-)
(09/09 21:52:37) J.D. Barnes: Tai'lahr, yet you are not a product of the D'ni culture. What we build here is not a product of that culture, either.
(09/09 21:52:43) Marten is a bit puzzled...
(09/09 21:52:57) J.D. Barnes: In that resepct, whatever evolves here will be different, probably in fundimental ways.
(09/09 21:53:17) Cycreim: I mean let's look at it this way. The point of the Guilds are to restore D'ni institutions. That's part of resurrecting the culture, for good or bad.
(09/09 21:53:23) Tai'lahr: Of course. Like I said, we have to adapt things to our needs here today.
(09/09 21:53:28) janaba: right, and it depends on us what we sow
(09/09 21:53:45) Marten: I'd like to see more information on what the Guilds were like though. We could still learn from the D'ni past history.
(09/09 21:53:51) Cycreim: But we can't just pick up where they left off because we don't know where they left off, in the whole of it.
(09/09 21:53:58) J.D. Barnes: However, resurrecting D'ni culture simply won't work.
(09/09 21:54:03) Cycreim: Right, we don't know.
(09/09 21:54:20) J.D. Barnes: We can borrow, we can, to steal a term, re-imagine that culture. But we cannot resurrect it.
(09/09 21:54:26) Cycreim: And yeah, it won't, because it's just a part of D'ni we'd be resurrecting.
(09/09 21:54:34) Tai'lahr: So, you're against the guild system in general?
(09/09 21:54:40) Cycreim: Anything we do will just be play-acting.
(09/09 21:54:59) Cycreim: I don't see how that cements our future any more than the current way of operating has.
(09/09 21:55:20) janaba: the point is unity, cooperation...the Guilds are our chance to grow together or to fall again
(09/09 21:55:28) J.D. Barnes: The Guilds, in and of themselves, are good causes. I think that we have to be aware of the motivations driving them.
(09/09 21:55:32) Tai'lahr: But, the guilds are going to offer explorers more opportunities to participate in the restoration!
(09/09 21:55:36) Marten: Yes, jana. That seems to have been Reteltee's poitn.
(09/09 21:55:49) janaba: right Mr. Barnes :-)
(09/09 21:56:14) Cycreim considers.
(09/09 21:56:18) Tai'lahr: Are you just concerned about the DRC's motivations behind them?
(09/09 21:56:21) janaba: yes Marten exactly
(09/09 21:56:29) J.D. Barnes: Tai'lahr, I hope taht more opportunities is the result. But, I think, restoration by itself is an inadequite goal.
(09/09 21:56:32) Marten: Quite frankly, if you look at the potential for power struggle with the guilds... if we can get them together without a war breaking out among ourselves, that IS an accomplishment right there.
(09/09 21:56:34) Cycreim: These are all valid points on all sides.
(09/09 21:56:54) Jacob Prentice: What about the people who don't fall into a guild, or in more than one guild?
(09/09 21:56:59) janaba: exactly Marten :-)
(09/09 21:57:27) Marten: Cate's suggestion has been to support the one that most closely matches your interests until your desired guild has its day.
(09/09 21:57:28) Tai'lahr: Well, the real goal, or at least mine, is to build a community. The restoration is just a part of that.
(09/09 21:57:42) Cycreim: Hey Kyashii
(09/09 21:57:50) Marten: Shorah.
(09/09 21:57:52) kyashii bows
(09/09 21:57:57) janaba: Shorah Kyashii :-))
(09/09 21:57:58) Tai'lahr: Shorah kyashii!
(09/09 21:58:02) J.D. Barnes: Tai'lahr, I think that's a very good goal to pursue.
(09/09 21:58:13) Cycreim: I'm just wondering why we have to join a guild.
(09/09 21:58:19) janaba: no it's the same Tay
(09/09 21:58:29) Cycreim: I mean we DON'T have to, but that certainly seems to be the idea.
(09/09 21:58:30) janaba: it goes hand in hand
(09/09 21:58:36) Jacob Prentice: Well, time for me to go. I'm headed over to the SDK Bevin. Talk to you guys later...
(09/09 21:58:41) Tai'lahr: You don't have to join a guild. Everyone can make a contribution to the community, even if they don't belong to a guild.
(09/09 21:58:41) Cycreim: Later Jacob!
(09/09 21:58:46) J.D. Barnes: Shorah Jacob.
(09/09 21:58:46) Jacob Prentice waves hello
(09/09 21:58:46) Jacob Prentice: bye
(09/09 21:58:48) Cycreim nods his head
(09/09 21:58:50) Marten: For now, the shirts don't represent joining anyway. The represent supporting.
(09/09 21:58:54) Cycreim: That's what I'm hoping, Tai.
(09/09 21:58:54) Marten: They.
(09/09 21:59:09) janaba: bye Jacob :-)
(09/09 21:59:14) Cycreim: Hmm.
(09/09 21:59:20) Cycreim: Well, I still haven't made up my mind :P
(09/09 21:59:21) Marten: A benefit of supporting is access to the associated guild pub.
(09/09 21:59:42) Cycreim: There's no benefit to not supporting :P
(09/09 21:59:45) J.D. Barnes: Interesting that the specific pubs were renovated so quickly, isn't it?
(09/09 21:59:59) Marten: Well, you could do as one young lady wearing a blue shirt did... pick the shirt with the color you like most.
(09/09 22:00:29) janaba: :-)
(09/09 22:00:44) Tai'lahr: That's true. Just grab a shirt so you can go see that these new pubs are really no big deal.
(09/09 22:00:46) Marten: Yes, Mr. Barnes... especially if Reteltee suggested the 5 to the DRC as I've seen mentioned. I find that information suspect though.
(09/09 22:01:03) kyashii stares at Cycreim's hat in envy :P
(09/09 22:01:12) janaba: :-)
(09/09 22:01:19) Cycreim: I've seen pictures, but giving up my lack of affiliation probably wouldn't be worth it to visit them, haha
(09/09 22:01:28) Cycreim waves hello
(09/09 22:01:29) Marten: Just a few more months to Christmas, kyashii.
(09/09 22:01:36) kyashii nods his head
(09/09 22:01:36) J.D. Barnes: The pubs in general may not have taken considerable effort. Or the DRC may have access to more of D'ni technology than they have mentioned.
(09/09 22:01:46) Ja'lana: I kind of feel we're being spoon-fed all this guild stuff. It's like hiding the pill in the dog's food so he'll take it.
(09/09 22:02:09) J.D. Barnes: Ja'lana, yes. There is a manufactured taste to it, isn't there?
(09/09 22:02:18) Ja'lana: Absolutely
(09/09 22:02:20) Marten: Analogies with dogs keep coming up. Curiuos.
(09/09 22:02:37) Cycreim: And everyone is salivating.
(09/09 22:02:45) J.D. Barnes: Ms. Alexander has a plan, is my guess. The Guilds are a part of that plan.
(09/09 22:02:45) Cycreim: Like Pavlov's... heh.
(09/09 22:02:52) janaba: haha...
(09/09 22:02:52) J.D. Barnes: What the plan is, that's what concerns me.
(09/09 22:02:56) Cycreim: I HOPE she has a plan.
(09/09 22:03:09) Marten: Cycreim, I don't know why, but your comment rings a bell. :)
(09/09 22:03:10) Cycreim: If she's just been winging it from the beginning, I'd be scared!
(09/09 22:03:17) Cycreim drools
(09/09 22:03:37) Ja'lana: I'm taking a wait-and-see stance on the guilds, at least for now.
(09/09 22:03:52) janaba: feel like you all about Ms. Alexander and her plans
(09/09 22:03:54) Tai'lahr: Aww, I think she's just trying to keep the explorers busy so we'll stop bugging them to hurry up with the age restorations.
(09/09 22:03:56) J.D. Barnes: Effective Guilds would make the restoration stronger. That could be a potent force to control.
(09/09 22:04:16) Marten: I'm hoping to become an instructor within the Guild of Messengers.
(09/09 22:04:29) janaba: no she's not so harmless
(09/09 22:04:53) janaba: yes we have to be aware
(09/09 22:04:56) Cycreim: I agree with Ja'lana, I'm waiting and seeing.
(09/09 22:04:57) J.D. Barnes: There was a minor Guild of Educators, Marten. That's a possibility if we are following tradition.
(09/09 22:05:08) Cycreim: I'd rather have an overall view than diving into a guild for now.
(09/09 22:05:17) Ja'lana: It just seems a bit too pat for me. I worry about the actual motivation behind the facade of T-shirts and shiny pubs.
(09/09 22:05:20) From Cycreim in The Great Tree's Bevin: Hey MJ!
(09/09 22:05:36) From janaba in The Great Tree's Bevin: Hey MJ!!!!! :-))
(09/09 22:05:47) Marten: So, what of the suggestion, based on what Reteltee said, that Cate should slow down giving away Ages... that it is perhaps influencing this war in a bad way?
(09/09 22:06:09) Cycreim: Who made that suggestion? :P
(09/09 22:06:19) J.D. Barnes: It appears that Reteltee may believe so.
(09/09 22:06:26) From Marten in The Great Tree's Bevin: No spark for you! But Mr. Barnes is visiting our 'hood.
(09/09 22:06:47) Cycreim shrugs
(09/09 22:07:00) J.D. Barnes: Might the Bahro be afraid of yet another expansionist civilization with linking capabilities?
(09/09 22:07:32) Cycreim: Afraid? I don't think afraid is the right word.
(09/09 22:07:34) janaba: Shorah MJ :-))
(09/09 22:07:35) Cycreim: Hey MJ!
(09/09 22:07:38) Kyven: Shorah, MJ
(09/09 22:07:40) Moiety Jean waves hello
(09/09 22:07:40) J.D. Barnes: Of course, so would any government on earth?
(09/09 22:07:41) janaba waves hello
(09/09 22:07:44) Cycreim: That's a question I'd like to find out the answer to.
(09/09 22:07:47) J.D. Barnes: Shorah Jean.
(09/09 22:07:59) Marten: Shorah MJ.
(09/09 22:08:02) Cycreim: We don't know what the war is about.
(09/09 22:08:10) Moiety Jean: Pleasure to see you again, J.D.
(09/09 22:08:14) Cycreim: Maybe He will have some answers.
(09/09 22:08:16) Cycreim: Hey Landwynn!
(09/09 22:08:34) Moiety Jean: do we know who He will be, now?
(09/09 22:08:38) J.D. Barnes: We don't know what the war is about. But the DRC must. They have too much access not to.
(09/09 22:08:44) Marten: Reteltee made quite clear that... well, at least he believes... this cavern is not ours. But not the Bahro's either, I think... I should check my references.
(09/09 22:09:19) janaba: you're right Marten :-)
(09/09 22:09:19) Cycreim: Not yet, MJ.
(09/09 22:09:34) Marten: But Blue = Home, apparently. Whatever THAT means.
(09/09 22:09:50) J.D. Barnes: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Marten.
(09/09 22:09:59) Cycreim: It's speculation hour in the Great Tree neighbourhood, and I'm DJ Cyc coming atchoo from the Deep City The Ancient Uru.
(09/09 22:10:01) Marten: But if I don't smoke?
(09/09 22:10:09) J.D. Barnes: eBay?
(09/09 22:10:11) Haruko: Konbanwa
(09/09 22:10:12) janaba: but it's on us to make D'ni alive and breathing again...that's what we could do for the Least at least
(09/09 22:10:13) Tai'lahr: Phil said he liked Green, and that's the Greeters.
(09/09 22:10:17) Cycreim: Hey Haruko!
(09/09 22:10:33) Marten: Greeters are green and blue together, actually.
(09/09 22:10:37) janaba: lol
(09/09 22:10:45) Cycreim: It's also a light in the light garden.
(09/09 22:10:48) Tai'lahr: Maybe he means we should be ready to welcome "he" when he comes home.
(09/09 22:10:55) Cycreim: Where Phil was when he made the comment, I believe.
(09/09 22:11:12) Marten: Wonder what he'll say if he finds an all orange 'hood.
(09/09 22:11:29) janaba: hehe
(09/09 22:11:36) Cycreim: Good question.
(09/09 22:11:42) Marten keeps our lights green, sneaks into all the other 'hoods and changes them orange.
(09/09 22:12:01) janaba: :-)
(09/09 22:12:08) Tai'lahr makes a note to delete Marten's invitation to the Revelations' hood.
(09/09 22:12:15) janaba: Haha...
(09/09 22:12:17) Marten: Oh, snap.
(09/09 22:12:21) Moiety Jean: teehee
(09/09 22:12:25) Tai'lahr giggles
(09/09 22:12:58) Tai'lahr: Have we detoured too far off the topic, here?
(09/09 22:13:01) janaba: Gadren mentioned something hours ago, that I'm thinking about too
(09/09 22:13:33) janaba: He mentioned, that nobody's talking about the place where Wheely happened what happened to her
(09/09 22:13:33) Marten: Just before you arrived, JD, we were wondering if anything more will happen today. I have yet to figure out Phil's sleep schedule. Or if he sleeps at all anymore; maybe that's his problem.
(09/09 22:14:01) janaba: we really don't know, what exactly happened there and if it really was a Bahro
(09/09 22:14:23) janaba: or at least maybe it was not the fault of a Bahro
(09/09 22:14:23) Tai'lahr: I think about that, too, janaba.
(09/09 22:14:29) janaba shrugs
(09/09 22:14:44) janaba: I'd like to know and some more explorers as well
(09/09 22:14:46) Marten: When Phil first returned... and wasn't talking like a first grade child... he said what happened to Wheely occurred because she went where she shouldn't have.
(09/09 22:14:47) Tai'lahr: I have lots of questions about that incident.
(09/09 22:14:49) janaba: puhhh lol
(09/09 22:15:21) J.D. Barnes: There seem to be definite areas of engagement in this war.
(09/09 22:15:32) Marten: That she found a place she shouldn't have found.
(09/09 22:16:02) Ja'lana: I wouTrue. He said she made a choice.
(09/09 22:16:11) J.D. Barnes: The Bahro that Sharper encountered lead him out of where he was, then attacked. Wheely entered the wrong palce and was attacked.
(09/09 22:16:15) janaba: that's right Marten, but we don't know what the DRC knows about that all or made out of it
(09/09 22:16:39) Tai'lahr: Yeah, well, I think the DRC's use of D'ni technology is adversely affecting the Bahro, and that has something to do with this so-called "war"!
(09/09 22:17:03) J.D. Barnes: Tai'lahr, that is a possibility.
(09/09 22:17:04) janaba: yeah, maybe
(09/09 22:17:06) Marten: Anyone find it interesting that Phil seemed to know about Wheely although he'd been gone for 3.5 years?
(09/09 22:17:25) Tai'lahr: Well, the Bahro told him, right?
(09/09 22:17:29) janaba: good point
(09/09 22:17:35) Moiety Jean: News probably travels fast through the Bahro network.
(09/09 22:17:42) janaba: :-)
(09/09 22:17:45) Marten: Well, that's a good question. Is he able to communicate that effectively with the Bahro?
(09/09 22:17:46) janady: Hi everyone
(09/09 22:17:52) Marten: Shorah janady.
(09/09 22:17:55) J.D. Barnes: There are too many unknowns, honestly.
(09/09 22:17:59) janaba: Shorah janady :-)
(09/09 22:18:12) Tai'lahr: Right, there's a chance that they might have a "hive mind" and maybe he's tuned into it, now.
(09/09 22:18:25) Marten: That's kind of scary.
(09/09 22:18:35) janady: Have you been to the new pubs yet anyone?
(09/09 22:18:40) janaba: sounds interesting Tay yes maybe
(09/09 22:18:47) Marten: Cycreim hasn't. ;)
(09/09 22:18:49) Moiety Jean: I went to the Cartographers' pub.
(09/09 22:18:51) J.D. Barnes: All we know is that there are certain people who have more information than we do: Reteltee and the DRC, Phil, and possibly Dr. Watson if he's still around.
(09/09 22:19:16) Tai'lahr: Do you think Dr. Watson is returning, Mr. Barnes?
(09/09 22:19:18) Moiety Jean: Attractive, but somehow it didn't feel all that historical to me...
(09/09 22:19:37) Marten: Assuming Watson returns... does anyone think he'll give us more information than we've gotten from anyone else?
(09/09 22:19:53) J.D. Barnes: It's a possibility. It sounds more believeable with each passing day.
(09/09 22:19:53) Marten: It's hard for me to get my hopes up!
(09/09 22:20:13) Relayer Corps: shoarh!
(09/09 22:20:17) J.D. Barnes: Reteltee puts a lot of stock in the concept.
(09/09 22:20:18) Marten: We've hit critical mass; we've attracted Relayers. ;)
(09/09 22:20:21) janaba: Reteltee believes that
(09/09 22:20:25) Relayer Corps: lol
(09/09 22:20:25) Marten: Shorah Relayers :)
(09/09 22:20:32) [Relayer] melodilynn: LOL
(09/09 22:20:42) Relayer Corps: What does Reteltee believe?
(09/09 22:20:48) janaba: maybe he hopes that Watson cannot be pressed like himself
(09/09 22:21:06) Cycreim: Wow!
(09/09 22:21:06) janaba: that Watson can tell us more and that he will
(09/09 22:21:06) Marten: That Dr. Watson would be more forthcoming with knowledge to us, than others have.
(09/09 22:21:11) Cycreim: Full 'hood tonight :D
(09/09 22:21:15) Cycreim: Take a seat everyone!
(09/09 22:21:17) From Marten in The Great Tree's Bevin: Heh. Too crowded?
(09/09 22:21:22) janady: But as no one seems to KNOW anything,what does it matter?
(09/09 22:21:22) Relayer Corps: that would be nice
(09/09 22:21:31) janaba: cause the DRC actually hindered Reteltee himself to help us and tell everything
(09/09 22:22:03) Cycreim: This whole situation seems like much ado about nothing, to borrow a phrase
(09/09 22:22:08) janady: Did you hear the bharo?
(09/09 22:22:09) From Marten in The Great Tree's Bevin: To be honest, right now I'm thinking my pellets are calling.
(09/09 22:22:12) J.D. Barnes: Ultimately, we are speculating, yes. But that is important for us.
(09/09 22:22:33) Marten: I did not hear the Bahro. :(
(09/09 22:22:35) Moiety Jean waves goodbye
(09/09 22:22:40) Marten: Goodnight MJ
(09/09 22:22:41) J.D. Barnes: Shorah Jean
(09/09 22:22:44) Relayer Corps waves goodbye
(09/09 22:22:46) Tai'lahr: Bye Jean
(09/09 22:22:52) Cycreim: It's important not to lose sight of the bigger picture, you know?
(09/09 22:22:55) Marten: Speculating is the #1 important activity to explorers.
(09/09 22:22:55) janaba: see you MJ :_))
(09/09 22:22:59) [Relayer] Kerryth waves goodbye
(09/09 22:23:04) From Cycreim in The Great Tree's Bevin: I looked away for a sec, where are you off to MJ?
(09/09 22:23:04) Marten: (Based on observation)
(09/09 22:23:09) Relayer Corps: what do you see as the bigger picture?
(09/09 22:23:30) Cycreim: Well, I'm distracted by the Bahro war that could potentially engulf us.
(09/09 22:23:39) [Relayer] melodilynn: see ya MJ
(09/09 22:23:42) [Relayer] melodilynn: oops
(09/09 22:24:01) J.D. Barnes: In many ways, it's the same issue.
(09/09 22:24:01) Cycreim: Hey remnar
(09/09 22:24:08) From Marten in The Great Tree's Bevin: I'll be curious to learn why the spark has stopped moving. There must be a reason.
(09/09 22:24:22) remnar: hello
(09/09 22:24:23) J.D. Barnes: We are more likely to survive as an organized whole.
(09/09 22:24:32) Tai'lahr: Exactly
(09/09 22:24:52) Cycreim: I see that, ok.
(09/09 22:25:05) Tai'lahr: Wow, those Yeesha Journey shirts sure are popular around here, lately. :)
(09/09 22:25:06) janaba: right Mr. Barnes, that is exactly the point Reteltee wants to convey somehow :-)
(09/09 22:25:08) Cycreim: That's an excellent point.
(09/09 22:25:16) janaba: it's unity
(09/09 22:25:21) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/09 22:25:23) Marten: As Douglas once put it, "The shirts are growing, my friends!"
(09/09 22:25:37) LostOwl: Shorah
(09/09 22:25:46) tooo: Shorah, all
(09/09 22:25:50) Tai'lahr: And, what do you suppose he meant by that, Marten?
(09/09 22:25:50) Cycreim: Hey all those people who just linked in!
(09/09 22:25:52) Relayer Corps: Shoarh
(09/09 22:25:53) Marten: Shorah, growing crowd.
(09/09 22:25:53) LostOwl says hey
(09/09 22:25:57) J.D. Barnes: Maybe I'll get one of those shirts someday
(09/09 22:26:01) Tetters waves hello
(09/09 22:26:04) Marten: Yeah, like Cycreim, I'm giving up on specific names at this point.
(09/09 22:26:09) janaba: right Marten, you're in the Great Tree's hood ladies and gentlemen :-))
(09/09 22:26:14) tooo waves hello
(09/09 22:26:21) Marten: Mr Barnes! Are you saying you haven't completed the Journey?
(09/09 22:26:32) Tai'lahr gasps
(09/09 22:26:42) [Relayer] Kerryth: Shorah, Great Tree.
(09/09 22:26:58) J.D. Barnes: Do you have any idea how hard it is to complete the journey with a bad back?
(09/09 22:26:58) janaba: lol
(09/09 22:27:02) Cycreim: I'll bbl. Sorry folks
(09/09 22:27:15) Marten: You know it is possible for friends to assist?
(09/09 22:27:15) Relayer Corps waves goodbye
(09/09 22:27:17) janaba: The Great Tree welcomes you :-)
(09/09 22:27:18) Tai'lahr: We'll be glad to assist you if you need help, Mr. Barnes.
(09/09 22:27:31) Marten: Absolutely. We would be happy to help.
(09/09 22:27:51) J.D. Barnes: As I dunderstand it, one must walk through the Journey doors. I'm not certain I could make the jump to the one in Gahreesen.
(09/09 22:27:56) janaba: right, that's a real pleasure
(09/09 22:28:04) [Relayer] Kerryth: That is a difficult one.
(09/09 22:28:20) Relayer Corps: but trying is half the fun
(09/09 22:28:46) J.D. Barnes: I don't find a week in traction fun, honestly.
(09/09 22:28:51) Tai'lahr: Taking the journey is important, and can include self-discovery. Are you afraid of what you might discover about yourself?
(09/09 22:28:55) Relayer Corps: lol
(09/09 22:29:03) Marten: Maybe we can construct something to assist you in getting to the door.
(09/09 22:29:11) Relayer Corps: a ladder?
(09/09 22:29:15) Relayer Corps: bridge?
(09/09 22:29:23) J.D. Barnes: Tai'lahr, all journeys are important. Yeesha does not have a monopoly on self-discovery.
(09/09 22:29:25) Relayer Corps: hangglider?
(09/09 22:29:25) janaba: interesting question Tay :-)
(09/09 22:29:30) Tai'lahr: Where there's a will, there's a way.
(09/09 22:29:42) [Relayer] Kerryth: Not everyone is called on Yeesha's journey.
(09/09 22:29:53) Relayer Corps: true
(09/09 22:29:57) Tai'lahr: O.O
(09/09 22:30:04) Relayer Corps: and the cavern has room for everyone
(09/09 22:30:24) tooo: i know all about having a bad back, believe me - so I can sympathize
(09/09 22:30:26) Marten: No point pressing the issue, Tai'; it's like trying to convince a smoker to quit. They'll quit when they're ready.
(09/09 22:30:38) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/09 22:30:42) J.D. Barnes raises an eyebrow.
(09/09 22:30:51) janaba: right Marten :-)
(09/09 22:31:06) J.D. Barnes: I'm not sure the analogy follows.
(09/09 22:32:02) Marten: Nagging people to do something doesn't succeed for the right reasons.
(09/09 22:32:19) tooo: i'm sure you can find a good chiropractor somewhere to help you
(09/09 22:32:40) From janaba in The Great Tree's Bevin: hey MJ, I love you, sorry, but I didn't answer too much this way cause I have my troubles with this KI changing from ages to neighbors and back and such:-)) hope to meet you soon again :-)
(09/09 22:32:45) Marten: Just know that when you are ready, there are explorers ready to help!
(09/09 22:32:57) J.D. Barnes: Well, thank you, Marten.
(09/09 22:32:57) remnar: so what's happening in this bevin? is it just a private group or are you guys working on the new journeys?
(09/09 22:33:15) From Marten in The Great Tree's Bevin: (the secret for that is keep focused on AGE PLAYERS, talk to neighbors with /neighbors)
(09/09 22:33:39) J.D. Barnes: The Great Tree has a long history in the restoration, as explorer organizations go.
(09/09 22:33:50) Marten: We're just discussing the events of the past day or so, remnar.
(09/09 22:33:50) From janaba in The Great Tree's Bevin: oh, nooo, I didn't know that lol
(09/09 22:34:09) From janaba in The Great Tree's Bevin: coool!!!! :-) thanks Marten :-)
(09/09 22:34:22) Relayer Corps: well, I have to go. See everyone later.
(09/09 22:34:26) J.D. Barnes: Ah, you don't mean the Great Tree as a group. I misunderstood
(09/09 22:34:35) [Relayer] melodilynn: Yeah, I have to go also
(09/09 22:34:39) [Relayer] melodilynn: bye all
(09/09 22:34:45) J.D. Barnes: Shorah.
(09/09 22:34:54) [Relayer] Kerryth: And I. Thank you for your hospitality.
(09/09 22:34:55) Marten: I think I missed a small part of the conversation.
(09/09 22:35:05) Marten: Shorah Relayers. Good luck where you go!
(09/09 22:35:12) janaba: see you RC :_)
(09/09 22:35:12) Tai'lahr: Okay, what's up with all the Relayers leaving? What do they know?
(09/09 22:35:29) janaba: we thank you Kerryth :-))
(09/09 22:35:40) J.D. Barnes: Maybe they did not find us news-worthy?
(09/09 22:35:57) Tai'lahr: Yes, that's a possibility
(09/09 22:36:01) janaba: lol
(09/09 22:36:05) J.D. Barnes shrugs
(09/09 22:36:07) janaba: came too late maybe
(09/09 22:36:10) Marten: Shorah, Cheetah.
(09/09 22:36:23) janaba: Shorah Cheetah
(09/09 22:36:25) Marten: Maybe they really only came for Delin and were unhappy to find it still missing.
(09/09 22:36:32) tooo: Shorah, cheetah
(09/09 22:36:33) Tai'lahr: hehe
(09/09 22:36:34) Cheetah: Shorah everyone!
(09/09 22:36:37) janaba: yeah or that
(09/09 22:36:51) J.D. Barnes: That's an unfortunate bias, I think. Too often are the explorers dismissed for being 'unimportant'.
(09/09 22:37:06) tooo: No Delin?i thought it was just me
(09/09 22:37:22) janaba: lol tooo :-)
(09/09 22:37:31) janaba: Shorah D'ni :-)
(09/09 22:37:35) Marten: The Delins will return but they're gone for now.
(09/09 22:37:37) tooo: i heard a rumor it was snowing in Delin
(09/09 22:37:41) d'ni everything: hello
(09/09 22:37:50) tooo: hi, d'ni
(09/09 22:37:58) d'ni everything smiles
(09/09 22:38:06) Marten: Shorah, de.
(09/09 22:38:12) Jacob Prentice: Shorah H'arp
(09/09 22:38:15) janaba: ah, maybe that's why they took it away
(09/09 22:38:21) tooo: lol
(09/09 22:38:32) h'arp: shora Jacob
(09/09 22:38:34) Marten: It did snow one time there, tooo. Quite interesting. It stayed cold for a month or two.
(09/09 22:38:43) h'arp: lol
(09/09 22:38:46) janaba: giving them back with a winter shape and the stained glass :-))
(09/09 22:38:48) Tai'lahr: Well, if you'll all excuse me, now; I have more pressing issues at the moment. :)
(09/09 22:38:56) Tai'lahr: Shorah and good night, all!
(09/09 22:39:05) h'arp: shora Tai
(09/09 22:39:08) tooo: Nite, Tai
(09/09 22:39:10) janaba: Night Tay :-)
(09/09 22:39:13) Haruko: 'Night Tai
(09/09 22:39:14) Marten: Goodnight Tai.
(09/09 22:39:22) d'ni everything: night Tai
(09/09 22:39:30) J.D. Barnes: Hmm.. things do seem to be breaking up. I have a few things to go over as well.
(09/09 22:39:35) Marten: Ducks. I'm going t have to remember that one, JD.
(09/09 22:40:04) J.D. Barnes smiles.
(09/09 22:40:14) janaba: was a pleasure to talk to you, Mr. Barnes...I wish I could type more fast though :-)
(09/09 22:40:20) Marten has a neighbor with a license plate that says OSU BVS.
(09/09 22:40:33) janaba: ???
(09/09 22:40:44) Jacob Prentice: Oregon State Beavers
(09/09 22:40:47) Cheetah: brb...
(09/09 22:40:52) h'arp: k
(09/09 22:40:55) janaba: k
(09/09 22:41:19) J.D. Barnes: Always happy to find a good conversation. Though I think there are still many questions to be answered. I really think the DRC know more about the war than they are lettingon.
(09/09 22:41:35) d'ni everything nods her head
(09/09 22:41:36) janaba: definitely
(09/09 22:41:47) J.D. Barnes waves goodbye
(09/09 22:41:52) Marten: Goodnight!
(09/09 22:41:52) tooo: especially since Cate refuses to acknowledge any war
(09/09 22:41:53) janaba waves goodbye
(09/09 22:41:54) d'ni everything: bye
(09/09 22:42:00) |Shem|: shorah
(09/09 22:42:13) Paulll50: byee
(09/09 22:42:14) janaba: Thanks, Mr. Barnes bye :-)
(09/09 22:42:22) Kyven: Shorah
(09/09 22:42:25) Haruko waves goodbye
(09/09 22:42:28) Marten stretches his own back, mindful of it after JD's comments.
(09/09 22:42:31) h'arp: brb
(09/09 22:42:50) janaba: right tooo :-)
(09/09 22:42:53) From Marten in The Great Tree's Bevin: Meeting adjourned it seems :)
(09/09 22:43:16) From janaba in The Great Tree's Bevin: yeah seems so, finally I can dance again :-))
(09/09 22:43:18) janaba cheers
(09/09 22:43:48) ...Chat.log stopped.
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